> Society seems to be self correction mode by not having nearly as many babies recent years.

An interesting factoid from the Roman Empire is that in their later years there was a major fertility collapse to the point that various laws were passed in order to try to motivate fertility in various ways, and they ultimately failed.

I don't know what to take from that yet, if anything, but I think it's obvious that we've similarly entered well into an 'end of empire' type era, and fertility rates have also again collapsed. So again, I think it's simply interesting to ponder.

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disgruntledphd2 18 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> An interesting factoid from the Roman Empire is that in their later years there was a major fertility collapse to the point that various laws were passed in order to try to motivate fertility in various ways, and they ultimately failed.

The same thing happened (declining fertility rates) between WW1 and WW2, which I found interesting. Also a time of great wealth inequality and economic dislocation.

Another thing I got from the same book (Dark Continent) was that pre-Nazi Germany was basically being run by the equivalent of executive orders due to political polarisation and deadlock in the Parliament. Definite vibes of modern US in that statement.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_Continent:_Europe%27s_Twe...

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aurareturn a day ago | parent | prev [-]

It seems like population historically can overshoot productivity.

	▲	somenameforme a day ago \| parent [-]
		I think this almost certainly is not the issue. In modern times there's an inverse relationship, including in developed countries, between fertility and income. So the people most economically capable of having children are the ones choosing not to. I don't know if the same was true in Rome, but indirect evidence would suggest it may well have been. Here [1] is a selection of some of the laws that were created to motivate fertility. They definitely target what were probably higher class citizens - concubinage was legally recognized, inheritance was one of the main targets of penalties, ranking of politicians was determined by their number of children, and so on. There was even apparently some angle shoot where people tried to marry very underage girls to avoid the penalties against unmarried men while also having a legal justification for having no children 'yet'. [1] - https://www.csun.edu/~hcfll004/AugMarriage.html