> heartless society is when someone has to wait at a red light for a few more seconds. and yes, enumerating a set of silly non-law "rules" you expect drivers on the road to follow is the definition of entitlement.

Many of the traffic lights in this valley are more than 5 minutes per cycle. You are completely naive to the facts of the discussion you have entered.

Please quote my above comment where I stated my expectations of all drivers.

This form of sophistry is not recommended in text-based discussions.

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octernion 3 days ago | parent [-]

oh the humanity, maybe on the order of a few minutes. that changes nothing. we should be inconveniencing human drivers more, if anything.

that you feel obligated to use words like "sophistry" tells me everything i need to know about you.

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paulnpace 3 days ago | parent [-]

> oh the humanity, maybe on the order of a few minutes. that changes nothing. we should be inconveniencing human drivers more, if anything.

> that you feel obligated to use words like "sophistry" tells me everything i need to know about you.

You are evaluating one traffic light in a long series of traffic lights. At this moment, the grocery store is 2.8 miles and 17 minutes from my house. This is a typical short trip in this valley. Everyone complains about the congestion and terrible drivers (who, BTW, will not be replaced by self-driving cars). Driving here sucks, and self-driving cars make it just that much worse.

That you naively make assumptions and express opinions from these assumptions tells me everything I need to know about you.

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octernion 3 days ago | parent [-]

hmm all of my assumptions have been wildly correct and you are just further confirming it. good stuff my dude. sorry you choose a place like that to live. sounds miserable.

i'll be sure to wave at the other drivers next time i'm in town in a zoox or waymo and then go back to doing literally anything else than driving.

	▲	paulnpace 3 days ago \| parent [-]
		> hmm all of my assumptions have been wildly correct and you are just further confirming it. good stuff my dude. sorry you choose a place like that to live. sounds miserable. > i'll be sure to wave at the other drivers next time i'm in town in a zoox or waymo and then go back to doing literally anything else than driving. You will remain free to be self-righteous.