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quxbar 3 days ago

I won't even look at a youtube video essay about an obscure vintage RPG (my preferred form of guilty pleasure viewing) if it's under 20 minutes long.

xhrpost 3 days ago | parent | next [-]

I watched a 2 hour video on the history of computer RPGs, I think it was specific to DND, and found it captivating. Would also like to hear your recs.

echelon 3 days ago | parent | next [-]

I hate this bifurcation.

I almost never want 2-hour documentary style videos, yet 1-minute teasers leave me even more dissatisfied.

I want 5-minute to 15-minute videos. They can be either overviews or summaries that cover broad stretches or super focused essays that go deeply in depth on just a singular hyper-focused point.

Long-form typically means opinionated and written for a lay audience. Filled with unnecessary pregnant pauses, fluff, and breathing room. Historians trying to craft a narrative.

Stop wasting your viewer's precious time on b-roll or building a case. Smart audiences will trust you if you're succinct and factual.

So take the heinously verbose documentary format, trim it down to just 10 to 15 minutes, and you're left with a fast-paced, frenetic, fully dehydrated, factual blow-by-blow.

That's the sweet spot. Maximum information density.

Yokolos 3 days ago | parent | next [-]

You say this like their viewers don't want long videos. They do. I am one of them. So if they started doing what you suggest, I'd stop watching them.

There is no sweet spot. Different people have different preferences. Not every Youtuber needs to make 10 minute videos. Not every Youtuber needs to make hour long videos. It depends on their audience.

If you don't like hour long videos, that's fine. You're not the intended audience. Stop trying to make every content creator abide by your preferences and just look for those who already cater to your preferences.

echelon 2 days ago | parent [-]

The problem is few creators do cater to this.

Maybe we'll get AI summarizers for video soon.

Yokolos 2 days ago | parent [-]

I still see plenty of videos that are around 15-20 minutes long.

echelon 2 days ago | parent [-]

Great content tends not to be that length because great creators are incentivized to make longer content.

Perverse incentives.

hnuser123456 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

IIRC youtube enables maximum monetization on videos that are at least 10 minutes long. So you end up with a mixed bag of 10-minute videos where some are content that could've been said in a couple of sentences and been 30 seconds, that were stretched out into 10 minutes of filler, and some where the content should've been 30 minutes or more, squished down to just over 10 minutes to try not to have an intimidating video length.

RankingMember 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Some channels do both since people have different tastes/levels of free time. I think it's a good strategy, though I don't know how it plays out on the money side. For example, a YouTube channel about automotive fabrication and tuning ("Gingium" in this case) will release high-detail build videos in series, then when the project is over, add a "Building a [x, e.g. Supercharged Off-road Miata] in 10 Minutes" condensed video with all the key moments.

engeljohnb 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

10-15 minute videos are usually nothing more than an extended /r/todayilearned post. I'm not interested in learning some new trivia, I like it when the videos are structured and detailed in a way that makes it flow like a narrative. Although some creators (like Quinton Reviews) pad with unnecessary fluff, most of the really popylar ones (Hbomberguy, Lemino, Jenny Nicholson, Lindsay Ellis, Summoning Salt) don't.

You could argue that anything except the thesis statement is a "waste of time," but the videos are for entertainment at the end of the day.It wouldn't entertaining for someone to say "The Oof sound in Roblox was invented by Joey Kuras for a game called Messiah. Tommy Tallarico says he made it but he probably didn't." then the video ends.

What is fun is watching a long deep-dive pulling apart all the ridiculous lies and exaggerations of a fascinating narcissist like Tallarico.

mostlysimilar 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

You might also enjoy: https://youtube.com/watch?v=8o3i10OuMFQ

brokencode 3 days ago | parent | prev [-]

What was it? I would also like a rec in this genre.

xhrpost 3 days ago | parent [-]

Think I found it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LcGDQZjVfd4

moduspol 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I prefer my movie reviews to be longer in duration than the movies themselves.

mystifyingpoi 3 days ago | parent | next [-]

Me too, but then it's no longer a review honestly. More like a breakdown or analysis.

bitwize 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

How many pizza rolls have you sent to that guy's webzone?

deepfriedchokes 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Are you an English Lit teacher?

Analemma_ 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I understand the motivation but this mindset has failure modes of its own: I'm noticing an increasing number of longform YouTube essay channels adding tons of unnecessary padding to increase the runtime. They don't all do this-- to pick a random example, I think Defunctland videos are exactly as long as they need to be-- but a bunch of the smaller ones do. Ultimately there's no metric shortcut for actual quality.

cogman10 3 days ago | parent [-]

The other failure is that youtube wants quantity over quality. That incentivizes some bad behaviors. The hbomber video about plagerism is ultimately about that. Taking shortcuts, using 3rd parties (or now AI) to write scripts. It's all really negatively impacted the medium.

AI in particular is like coke to lazy content makers. I've had to drop a few because it became clear that AI took the lead in writing.

giancarlostoro 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

In my case, YouTube has figured out that I love Pokemon videos where the streamer does really silly things with old Pokemon games (like resetting the emulator 9001 times to find a shiny in order to have a full on Shiny only pokedex, including the starter pokemon. In my case I don't care how long the videos are though.

fennecbutt 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

Easier than soft resetting for real I guess. An ex used to be into that, it always seemed mind numbing to me but perhaps it's almost therapeutic for others.

bo-tao 3 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Lol that sounds interesting, can you share the video?

giancarlostoro 3 days ago | parent [-]

Sure thing! I enjoy random Pokemon videos, watching the story of how the game was birthed by hobbyists is also fascinating.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcUUbGb77tY

malignblade 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Going to need some recommendations

bigyabai 3 days ago | parent | next [-]

Second Wind is up and running with (2012's favorite) Yahtzee Crowshaw running the ship. An episode of Fully Ramblomatic runs a chipper >10min with barely a second to spare.

Night_Thastus 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

For gaming:

Joseph Anderson, NeverKnowsBest, SuperBunnyHop and MandaloreGaming are the ones that come to mind. They've uncovered so much about games that I never knew was there! :)

I think some would recommend Matthewmatosis, Hbomberguy and Raycevick as well, I'm just less familiar with their work personally.

trenchpilgrim 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Jwlar

Mandaloregaming

Josh Strife Plays

The Sphere Hunter

jmcgough 3 days ago | parent [-]

Highly recommend Dungeon Chill and KBash as well

aspenmayer 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQVdR8mJrds

The Making of Vampire Survivors by noclip.

Vintage inspired with the game choice, not straight vintage, but noclip is one of the best doing game documentaries.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ZmcbShMFNY

The Story of Thief & Looking Glass Studios, also by noclip.

As vintage as they come.

Hovertruck 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Check out Majuular

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p1necone 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Seconding Majuular - if you like old PC rpgs (and new ones) he does great long form deep dives.

tmtvl 3 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Bobbin Threadbare.

coldpie 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

A fellow Basement Brothers viewer??

mid-kid 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Most of the 20+ minute long videos are bound to be filled to the brim with filler and bullshit. I'm not asking for much, but please stop pretending your video game review is worth an hour of introductions, personal anecdotes, comedy sketches and 3 sponsor ads.