In Norway the public transportation in Oslo has become so bad that it's essentially no longer reliable. If I want to get somewhere in time, I have to use a car or a bicycle.

Also, the violence and sexual assaults on public transport is getting worse, the times that it does work it's completely overloaded, and the prices are insanely high and quite frankly becoming unaffordable with the insanely high inflation and interest rates.

A city that was altered greatly to accommodate pedestrians has become a city that does not accommodate anyone. This is likely to be the outcome in other cities that take similar measures, governments always fail eventually, once it becomes impractical to use cars the country's economy will suffer greatly as a result, because there will come a time when the government just decides they don't care about public transport anymore and it can be as horrible as possible because nobody has any choices anymore.

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octo888 6 days ago | parent | next [-]

Not to be a doomer but I think public transport has peaked in many places in Europe except the big famous standouts like Netherlands, Switzerland, Luxembourg etc

The UK government for example is reducing subsidies for the railway and raising prices sometimes even 12-14% per year. This would be unimaginable 10 years ago. We have many railway workers who feel underpaid and some that feel they deserve the same pay as speciality doctors. This gets directly paid for by price rises. It is strike again /again/ for the railways.

I think the time is now that governments don't care about public transport

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panick21_ 5 days ago | parent | next [-]

This isn't really true. Lots of investment in public transit in the Nordic countries. Austria is doing quite well. Switzerland of course to. Italy is doing better then many would have expected 20 years ago. In Paris they are building some of the most massive expansion in a long time, and even many smaller cities are building tram lines, and the TGV is putting up record numbers.

In the Baltic a massive rail expansion is happening. Former eastern countries like Czechia still have a good rail system and starting to upgrade it. Poland is upgrading in many places as well.

Spain has globally the best construction cost for new infrastructure and they are expanding things like Madrid metro.

The UK is doing badly as usual as of recently but despite the price rises, their network is incredibly full and well used.

But I wouldn't take the UK as typical.

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flanked-evergl 5 days ago | parent [-]

> Lots of investment in public transit in the Nordic countries.

This is my favourite phrase. "lots of investment". Crime, drugs and violence gets worse, but it's okay because there is "lots of investment" in police — just meaning we keep spending more money and getting worse results.

Public transport gets more expensive and worse every year, but there is a "lots of investment" in public transport — meaning we keep sending more money and getting worse results.

Energy is getting more expensive, but it's okay because there is "lots of investment" in energy — meaning we keep spending more money and getting worse results.

But it's okay, you should be happy, at least there is "lots of investment", what are you going to do with your money anyway, after all you can't go anywhere because it's unsafe, the public transportation is probably not working, and you don't have money for it after paying your bills because of all the "investment" anyway, and even if you did the government can always find more things to "invest" the money in.

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panick21_ 5 days ago | parent [-]

Having just traveled all over Northern Europe, your doomer nonsense about 'crimes, drugs and violence' is hilarious. For example the automated metro in Copenhagen is a case of investment with great results.

> can't go anywhere because it's unsafe

I'm sure this is true in the fantasy land that exist in your head.

Do your far right-wing rants somewhere else.

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		You can ignore the actual data showing that violent crime is rising, like the government and media does, but it does not mean it's not rising. You can ignore the data on the public transport delays and cancellations, like the government and media does, but it does not mean it's not rising.

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panick21_ 5 days ago | parent | prev [-]

I was just in Oslo and public transport was fantastic and the city was fantastic.

> Also,

Those sound like a bunch of far-right wing talking points. Do you have statistics to back any of this up?

And they don't match my own experience even a little bit. Because in most countries cars tend to cost more overall and are generally less safe.

> A city that was altered greatly to accommodate pedestrians has become a city that does not accommodate anyone.

t was an absolutely delight walking around the city, being able to walk on the roads or crossing roads because traffic has been reduced so much. That a fantastic policy that made the city more attractive.

The city was extremely welcoming and navigating on food or by bus or train was fantastic. There were tons of people around and lots of people in all the restaurants and museums. Plenty of people hanging out at the beautiful water-front.

The claim that it 'doesn't work' is just pure nonsense. It only doesn't work if you want to drive in from the subburbs on a daily basis.

> governments always fail eventually

So we should have cities without governments? If you want to privatize the operations of some public transit, that is potentially reasonable. But 'governemnt=bad does not mean therefore we need cars everywhere'.

> once it becomes impractical to use cars the country's economy will suffer greatly as a result

This has been stupid quite a bit, there is literally a field of urban studies, and it universally find the exact opposite.

> , because there will come a time when the government just decides they don't care about public transport anymore and it can be as horrible as possible because nobody has any choices anymore

Ah here it is. That's the '15 min city is a globalist conspiracy to make us prisoners in our own city' nonsense. You have dipped deep into it haven't you?

Please anybody that reads this, go to Oslo and enjoy the beautiful, vibrant, save city it actually is.

	▲	flanked-evergl a day ago \| parent [-]
		> I was just in Oslo and public transport was fantastic and the city was fantastic. More than half of the times I want to use the train to get to work it's cancelled or delayed on one of the busiest train routes in the city during peak time. Quite often the train is so full, due to delays and cancellations, that I have to either go back home and bicycle, or wait for the next train, which again may be delayed or cancelled. This is with the trains being out of commission for the whole of July for "repairs". I almost entirely avoid the train and public transport now because, unlike the government, if I'm not on time or don't do my job, it actually does have negative consequences for me. Your experience as a tourist has no weight. A city should not be built for tourists, but for it's citizens.