I refer to the endless self improving runaway AI as an “information theoretic perpetual motion machine.”

This will work in a sense. It will do… something… and learn… something. It will be unrelated to the physical universe in any way. See also: procedural landscape generators, etc.

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hodgehog11 4 days ago | parent | next [-]

This makes sense on its face, but the flaw in the logic here is the implicit assumption that current procedures extract all information available in the datasets. We know this is not even remotely close to being true.

Many decades ago, statisticians made a similar erroneous assumption that maximum likelihood estimators, which also minimize entropy, are "optimal" in terms of saturating error. The fact that you can do better by smarter regularisation is the key to why DL works in the first place.

I'm no shill for AI, but you're going to need a better argument for why runaway AI up to obscene levels of performance is not theoretically possible. There are quite a few people, including some of my colleagues, that are looking in earnest but so far no one has found one.

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K0balt 5 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Might kinda work if you gave it tools to do its research on the open internet, fiverr, mechanical Turk, etc.

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nakamoto_damacy 5 days ago | parent | next [-]

Sure, it could up until some point where in order for it to figure out that it has to use a tool or access the Internet it will need more intelligence (to know that its answer or understanding is not sufficient or incorrect) How do we as humans know that? Someone tells us. Who's going to tell it? Then you end up at Minsky's Society of Mind, but also a distributed perpetual motion machine. Evolution seems to have figured out the intuition mechanism as some sort of probabilistic mechanism that's been honed for potentially millions of years, if not billions (white blood cells track pathogens, without having any neural network, so it's possible.) -- I think I opened a can of worms with these thoughts.

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api 5 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

That’s at least some contact with reality, at least by proxy. I’m referring to a brain in a vat somehow learning.

	▲	K0balt 4 days ago \| parent [-]
		Yeah, information about external reality cannot be generated from entropy alone.

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agentultra 5 days ago | parent | prev [-]

On its own without any alignment or labelling. Super-intelligence or super-Grok?

	▲	K0balt 4 days ago \| parent [-]
		The idea would be to use mech Turk and fiverr as touch points with reality. I’m not saying it’s a good idea, just that in theory it might work.

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RLAIF 5 days ago | parent | prev [-]

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