▲ | qnpnp 6 days ago | ||||||||||||||||
> For one, having the leader be actually elected by the people and not second hand appointed by corruptible politicians. That's a strange requirement considering the executive of most EU states is not directly elected by people either. Do you not consider Germany or Italy to be countries? | |||||||||||||||||
▲ | littlestymaar 5 days ago | parent | next [-] | ||||||||||||||||
> That's a strange requirement considering the executive of most EU states is not directly elected by people either At least, it's usually the leader of the party the people voted for in the legislative elections. In the EU there was this Spitzenkandidat idea floating around ten years ago, but it was never enacted in texts and died at the first opportunity (naming Von der Leyen back in 2019 when she wasn't the leader of the PPE), because the heads of members states (particularly the French) weren't willing to give up their designation power. In practice there isn't even European political parties, the European elections are just national elections represented by national parties and most citizens don't even know the names of the European coalition of parties (PSOE, PPE, Renew, etc…). | |||||||||||||||||
▲ | FirmwareBurner 6 days ago | parent | prev [-] | ||||||||||||||||
Depends. What is a country? The land borders? The people? The government? The leader? If you take out all the Germans out of Germany and replace them with other people is it still Germany? My point was that accountable democracy requires direct vote from the people and not via second hand, not that Germany or Italy aren't countries. And if EU wishes to be a country it needs that level of direct accountability which is impossible. Otherwise if you force it it's gonna be another Yugoslavia or USSR where most people are pissed because they're not being ruled by someone of their own culture that they can directly vote for. These forced multi-culti nation states under one roof abominations don't work. It's been known since the Tower of Babel yet the elite ruling class think this time it will be different because it worked in the US, a country younger than most universities in Europe. | |||||||||||||||||
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