I doubt much changed. American STEM education has always been pretty mediocre. I've been hearing about my whole life.

Mediocre by what metric? American STEM education seems to objectively be doing pretty well in terms of Nobel prizes, scholarly journal articles, patents, technology product revenue, etc. Of course there's always room for improvement.

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bell-cot 5 days ago | parent | next [-]

Unfortunately, those metrics are very focused on the 0.1%, if not the 0.01%.

Like a sorting algorithm which is O(n) on nearly-sorted input - the utility is limited.

	▲	monkeyelite 4 days ago \| parent [-]
		? That’s a common use case for sorting though.

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aprilthird2021 5 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> American STEM education seems to objectively be doing pretty well in terms of Nobel prizes, scholarly journal articles, patents, technology product revenue, etc.

I hate to break it to you, but a lot of our most valuable research is produced by people who did their primary education outside the US. Just go to a STEM research lab at any US university connected to a Nobel prize or Fields medal in the last 10-20 years, and it will be almost completely made up of internationally educated students / professors / etc.

	▲	RoyalSloth 5 days ago \| parent \| next [-]
		If someone is curious about this data, I made a little analysis a while ago - Nobel Prize in numbers: https://blog.royalsloth.eu/posts/nobel-prize-in-numbers/#sec...
	▲	monkeyelite 5 days ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		Yes, they are getting visas via academia employment.

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cyberax 5 days ago | parent | prev [-]

About a half of Nobel Prizes in the US were awarded to immigrants or children of immigrants.