▲ | runako a day ago | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Thanks for weighing in here. > we are also just coming off some insanely profitable years Could you offer some color on the prominent narrative from farmers (even in this article) that the last few years have just been terrible for farmers? From TFA: > This is the worst agriculture economy of my lifetime over at least the past three years Thanks again for commenting. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
▲ | 9rx a day ago | parent | next [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
> Could you offer some color on the prominent narrative from farmers (even in this article) that the last few years have just been terrible for farmers? I honestly have no idea. Three years ago in particular is when the perfect storm lead to historically high commodity prices. If that's what they consider the worst time in agriculture history, I have no understanding of where they are coming from. The problem right now is that the input costs are still trying to act as if it is still three years ago, which is a problem, but the cure for high prices is high prices. I see no reason to think that will last. As suggested before, it is likely that they are overleveraged and the loss of profitability coupled with higher interest rates is what is killing them. That's the trouble with trying to be a mid-sized player. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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▲ | taxcoder a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Because no farmer ever will tell you he had a good year. He should have sold a month earlier than he did, or held on a week longer. Just the way it is, I guess. In my business I see their books. Good years and bad years. Some things are more volatile - dairy can swing between losses and significant profits. Layers are pretty steady if you are on a contract, as long as you don't get the avian flu. Produce farmers rarely have a loss year, but their high income years are generally not as high as crop farmers, who sometimes do show a significant annual loss. More risk = more reward. The last few years have been pretty good overall, for my clients. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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▲ | dmoy a day ago | parent | prev [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
The comments/narrative in TFA don't line up with FRED. 2022 was like 3x more profitable overall compared to 2016, and 2023 wasn't much worse. It's definitely coming back down. From TFA though, 2400 is like 2x-2.5x median farm size. That's not a small farm size. It's not a massive corpo farm, but it's not a small farm. So the segment quoted in that article might be under some pretty specific pressures (other commenters alluded to - they may have bought some very pricey equipment during good years - an actually small farm will get by on shittier equipment or just rent for a brief harvest) |