> I don't feel represented on the basis of branding personal expression with an identification of race as a default, the idea is frankly abhorrent to me. Why am I being excluded?

Is anyone forcing you to use a default? How are you excluded because other people can make different choices?

Maybe being disgusted by others choices for casual conversation is a personal matter. Something you could address with software to disregard whatever is so offensive, or a support group, or inward reflection.

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Levitz 2 days ago | parent [-]

>Is anyone forcing you to use a default?

Why don't you levy this argument against yourself?

>How are you excluded because other people can make different choices?

Because I cannot. By your own points, I can't express myself in a race-neutral way anymore.

>Maybe being disgusted by others choices for casual conversation is a personal matter. Something you could address with software to disregard whatever is so offensive, or a support group, or inward reflection.

This is, again, better levied against your position.

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paulryanrogers 2 days ago | parent [-]

>>Is anyone forcing you to use a default?

> Why don't you levy this argument against yourself?

How? I don't feel forced by others having options or even the existence of a default.

>> Maybe being disgusted by others choices...

> This is, again, better levied against your position.

I'm not the one whose disgusted or even bothered. Not even by your opinion. (I just don't share it.)

>> How are you excluded because other people can make different choices?

> Because I cannot. By your own points, I can't express myself in a race-neutral way anymore.

Thanks for clarifying. IMO you can just accept the defaults, whatever their tone/complexion, and move on. I don't think anyone is bothered by yellow being an imperfect attempt at race neutrality, so long as there are options for folks to pick whatever they're comfortable with.

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zahlman 2 days ago | parent [-]

> I don't think anyone is bothered by yellow being an imperfect attempt at race neutrality

The sheer length of the discussion suggests otherwise.

	▲	paulryanrogers 2 days ago \| parent [-]
		Is 5 comments really that deep? IMO it only suggests that misunderstandings and disagreements take a while to sort out in a text mediums. Debate doesn't mean people are out to get you.