| ▲ | godelski 3 days ago | |||||||||||||||||||
What about Meta, who did the same thing? What about Google, who did the same thing? What about Nvidia, who did the same thing? Clearly something should be done because it's not like these companies can't afford the cost of the books. I mean Meta recently hired people giving out >$100m packages and bought a data company for $15bn. Do you think they can't afford to buy the books, videos, or even the porn? We're talking about trillion dollar companies. It's been what, a year since Eric Schmidt said to steal everything and let the lawyers figure it out if you become successful?[1] Personal I'm not a big fan of "the ends justify the means" arguments. It's led to a lot of unrest, theft, wars, and death. Do you really not think it's possible to make useful products ethically? [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html [1] https://www.theverge.com/2024/8/14/24220658/google-eric-schm... | ||||||||||||||||||||
| ▲ | janalsncm 3 days ago | parent | next [-] | |||||||||||||||||||
This isn’t a deal to sell their books. The authors are getting $3k per book while maintaining the rights to their IP. The settlement is to avoid statutory damages which are between $750 and $30k or more per infringement. One of the consequences of retaining their rights is that they can also sue Meta and Google and OpenAI etc for the same thing. | ||||||||||||||||||||
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| ▲ | kelnos 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | |||||||||||||||||||
> And what about $OTHER_AI_COMPANY, who did the same thing? If there's evidence of this that will stand up in court, they should be sued as well, and they'll presumably lose. If this hasn't happened, or isn't in the works, then I guess they covered their tracks well enough. That's unfortunate, but that's life. | ||||||||||||||||||||
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| ▲ | terminalshort 3 days ago | parent | prev [-] | |||||||||||||||||||
Where is your evidence that Meta, Google, and OpenAI did the same thing? (As for NVIDIA, do they even train models?) Because if they did, why haven't they been sued? This is a garden variety copyright infringement case and would be a slam dunk win for the plaintiffs. The only novel part of the case is the claim that the plaintiffs lost on, which establishes president that training an LLM is fair use. > Clearly something should be done because it's not like these companies can't afford the cost of the books Yes indeed it should, and it has. They have been forced to pay $3000 per book they pirated, which is more than 100x what they would have gained if they had gotten away with it. IMO a fine of 100x the value of a copy of the pirated work is more than sufficient as a punishment for piracy. If you want to argue that the penalty should be more, you can do that, but it is completely missing my point. You are talking about what is fair punishment to the companies, and my comment was talking about what is fair compensation to the authors. Those are two completely different things. | ||||||||||||||||||||
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