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| ▲ | derefr 2 days ago | parent | next [-] | | You're letting the hype men set the goalposts for you, then, as every ML thing has been retroactively rebranded as "AI." Remember the term "smart" as applied to any device or software mode that made ~any assumptions beyond "stay on while trigger is held"? "AI" is the new "smart." Even expert systems, decision trees, and fulltext search are "AI" now. | | |
| ▲ | mort96 2 days ago | parent [-] | | > You're letting the hype men set the goalposts for you, then Not really, I'm taking the hint. If they call a feature "AI", there's a 99% chance it's empty hype. If they call a feature "machine learning", there may be something useful in there. Notice how Apple, in this event even, uses the term "machine learning" for some features (like some of their image processing stuff) and "AI" for other features. Their usage of the terms more or less matches my line of features I want and features I don't want. | | |
| ▲ | derefr 2 days ago | parent [-] | | Well, yeah, Apple is being reasonable now because Apple just got through a big bad PR thing with their recent failed attempt at "AI". Apple are currently trying, as much as possible, to avoid applying the term "AI" to anything. But that's not true of any other actor in the market. Everyone else — but especially venture-backed companies trying to get/retain investor interest — are still trying to find a justification for calling every single thing they're selling "AI". (And it's also not even true of Apple themselves as recently as six months ago. They were approaching their marketing this way too, right up until their whole "AI" team crashed and burned.) Apple-of-H2-2025 is literally the only company your heuristic will actually spit out any useful information for. For everything else, you'll just end up with 100% false positives. | | |
| ▲ | mort96 2 days ago | parent [-] | | It's generally perfectly safe to ignore products whose main purpose is to ride some hype wave. | | |
| ▲ | derefr a day ago | parent [-] | | Who said anything about the product's purpose? Excessive use of the term "AI" is a decision of marketing departments, and happens entirely downstream of product design. The same product could be produced five years ago or today, and the one produced five years ago would not be described as having "AI features", while the one produced today would. (You can check for yourself: look at the online product listing for any mature "smart" device that got a new rev in the last three years. The Clapper would be described as an "AI" device today.) | | |
| ▲ | mort96 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | > (You can check for yourself: look at the online product listing for any mature "smart" device that got a new rev in the last three years. The Clapper would be described as an "AI" device today.) And I make an effort to avoid those with "AI" features where practical. I do not need an AI toothbrush. |
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| ▲ | choilive 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Semantically, AI has always been a superset of ML. So it's always been correct to call machine learning AI. All machine learning is AI, not all AI is machine learning. | | |
| ▲ | mort96 2 days ago | parent [-] | | Yet there's a very clear distinction between when companies use the term "AI" and when they use "machine learning". |
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| ▲ | micromacrofoot 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | that stuff is also essentially machine learning, just more parameters and better marketing | | |
| ▲ | mort96 2 days ago | parent [-] | | I don't think it's marketing's primary purpose to be off-putting? Anyway, it's not the same thing: I'm fine with machine learning to give me better image search results, I'm not fine with machine learning to generate "art" or machine learning to generate text. Everyone has collectively agreed to call the latter "AI" rather than machine learning, so the term is a useful distinction. | | |
| ▲ | micromacrofoot a day ago | parent [-] | | it's a misleading distinction that's causing people to spiral out and think they're talking to an actual intelligence and is also being used to bamboozle lawmakers into allowing massive amounts of content theft |
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| ▲ | eric_h 2 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | Not to be too, um, dismissive, but one of the things we discussed in my 300 level class called _Artificial Intelligence_ in college 2 decades ago was regular expressions, so, that ship has sailed far over the horizon. |
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