Not to mention, the people who've been writing code in 2012 are still writing PHP code like it's 2012, and plenty of people are learning to write PHP the same way.

I haven't seen too many PHP codebases in the past decade, but every one has been full of a mix of commits that are beautiful, clean, functional code... and just the worst mishmash of garbage I've ever seen.

PHP might be fine, but I'm still not sure if I'm ready to work with other PHP developers.

you can replace the word "PHP" in this post with any other language and it would still be true.

I'm in this comment and I don't like it.

More seriously I picked php because it lets me get away without having to strictly define anything and just get away with fuzzy logic. I want to jump on the bed god damn it!

If you have a few minutes, I'm curious what will be your opinion about this code base: https://github.com/tirrenotechnologies/tirreno

Last time I touched PHP in 2018. It was a website my company bought from a french developer. After many unsuccessful attempts to add even basic functionality to the site, I announced my employer that they paid for the domain and the audience, but the code has to be rewritten from scratch.

It was typical PHP mix of HTML and PHP code in one file, an unreadable sequence of several crazy long HTML lines, then several lines of PHP code, then again HTML.

Lots of copy paste.

SQL statements were created by concatenation of user input with the text of the query. In 2018.

Back then I promised I'll never ever touch any PHP code. Live pretty much happily since then. I know there's some typing added to the language and other modern features. Still pretty sure, that if I open any random PHP file from any random PHP project, I'll still find the same mess as ever before.