"'such' a phishing attack" makes it sound like a sophisticated, indepth attack, when in reality it's a developer yet again falling for a phishing email that even Sally from finance wouldn't fall for, and although anyone can make mistakes, there is such a thing as negligent, amateur mistakes. It's astonishing to me.

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greycol 3 days ago | parent | next [-]

Every time I bite my tongue (literal not figurative) it's also astonishing to me. Last time I did was probably 3 years ago and it was probably 10 years earlier for the time before that. Would it be fair to call me a negligent eater? Have you been walking and tripped over nothing? Humans are fallible and unless you are in an environment where the productivity loss of a rigorous checklist and routine system makes sense these mistakes happen.

It would be just as easy to argue that anyone who uses software and hasn't confirmed their security certifications include whatever processes you imagine avoids 'human makes 1 mistake and continues with normal workflow' error or holds updates until evaluated is negligent.

	▲	gcau 3 days ago \| parent [-]
		Humans are imperfect and anyone can make mistakes, yes. I would argue there's different categories of mistakes though, in terms of potential outcomes and how preventable they are. A maintainer with potentially millions of users falling for a simple phishing email is both preventable and has a very bad potential outcome. I think all parties involved could have done better (the maintainer/npm/the email client/etc) to prevent this.

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jowea 3 days ago | parent | prev [-]

I feel that most everyone has some 0.0001% chance of falling for a stupid trick. And at scale, a tiny chance means someone will fall for it.

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foxglacier 3 days ago | parent [-]

That's true but it's like saying most everyone has a small chance of crashing their car. Yet when someone crashes their car because they were texting while driving, speeding, or drunk, we justifiably blame them for it instead of calling them unlucky. We can blame them because there are clear rules they are supposed to know for safety when driving, just as there are for electronic security. The rule for avoid phishing is called "hang up, look up, call back".

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jowea 3 days ago | parent [-]

Yeah but society doesn't act as if it's an unthinkable event we never planned for when a car crash happens. Blame someone or don't, but there are going to be emergency responders used to dealing with car crashes coming, because we know that car crashes happen (a lot) and we need to be ready for it.

	▲	foxglacier a day ago \| parent [-]
		Yes of course we need to defend against scammers at multiple levels because none of them are bulletproof, so putting too much trust in individual developers also a problem here. Even if they didn't get hacked, they could have just become the hacker themselves.