| ▲ | JumpCrisscross 5 days ago |
| The article describes a search conducted with a warrant. Given the brazen criminality ICE agents are acting with, I’d like to see evidence of malpractice before risking diluting the message. |
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| ▲ | rhcom2 5 days ago | parent | next [-] |
| The argument with Stringrays is that even with a warrant to target an individual the police end up sucking up a large amount of random people's location and cell phone data. Like license plate readers and facial recognition, you're out in the world without the expectation of privacy but I think for most people that feels different when a giant automated system is sucking everything up without recourse. |
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| ▲ | EasyMark 4 days ago | parent | next [-] | | WHile I don't expect privacy, I want it, and I want other people to really think about it and not want public surveillance as well. We should have some expectation of privacy out in public and not allow a loophole of "oh, but we were looking for someone else but also saw you", it's a huge loophole with essentially no limits. A warrant should cover one "thing" a person, group, etc. Anything else grabbed in the process should not be admissible in court or even be used by the police. | |
| ▲ | tiahura 4 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | [flagged] |
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| ▲ | MangoToupe 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I hardly think the courts are above malpractice. They seemed fine with the patriot act, for instance. Citizens United is the definition of malpractice in my book, essentially legalizing corruption. |
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| ▲ | chasd00 4 days ago | parent [-] | | The Patriot Act was an eye opener to me. Fear has to be, by far, an authoritarian's best tool against the masses. I was shocked "we the people" let the Patriot Act happen, i was also shocked when people locked themselves up for a year voluntarily during covid. All you need is a way to produce fear in the population and they'll do and believe anything you say. Anything. | | |
| ▲ | EasyMark 4 days ago | parent [-] | | "THere are criminals though!" and "think of the children" are what will bring in full authoritarianism. People are afraid of their own shadows these and want to live a 100% secure life at ANY cost. | | |
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| ▲ | abirch 5 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| A warrant against a criminal. This is the case that most people support. |
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| ▲ | cosmicgadget 4 days ago | parent | next [-] | | Even if that tool queries everyone in the neighborhood? | |
| ▲ | buellerbueller 5 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | I do not support having my cell phone location data sucked up by the government in general while exercising my First Amendment right to protest. That this particular government is doing it is frankly, terrifying. | | |
| ▲ | abirch 5 days ago | parent [-] | | I agree with you about cell phone data being sucked up when exercising your rights. I love the EFF: https://ssd.eff.org/module/attending-protest This particular article was about using Stringray with a warrant. I'm sure that the government is abusing Stingray but it'd be nice to have evidence first. |
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| ▲ | coldtea 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Warrants can also be malpractice when the law is in the hands of authoritative types. |
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| ▲ | boston_clone 5 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Edited to redact; response was referencing a different article. |
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| ▲ | abirch 5 days ago | parent | next [-] | | Are you quoting from the Forbes article listed above? "In a recently-unsealed search warrant reviewed by Forbes, ICE used such a cell-site simulator in an attempt to track down an individual in Orem, Utah. The suspect had been ordered to leave the U.S. in 2023, but is believed to still be in the country. Investigators learned last month that before going to Utah, he’d escaped prison in Venezuela where he was serving a sentence for murder, according to the warrant. He’s also suspected of being linked to gang activity in the country, investigators said. When the government got the target’s number, they first got a warrant to get its location. However, the trace wasn’t precise–it only told law enforcement that the target was somewhere in an area covering about 30 blocks. That led them to asking a court for a Stingray-type device to get an accurate location. The warrant was issued at the end of last month and it’s not yet known if the fugitive was found." | | | |
| ▲ | GuinansEyebrows 5 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | not sure if they just edited it very quickly or what, but that sentence no longer appears in the article. |
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| ▲ | exe34 4 days ago | parent | prev [-] |
| "Earlier this year, new media publication Straight Arrow News said it had analysed “mobile network anomalies” around a Washington state protest against ICE raids that were consistent with Stingray use." |
