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neuroelectron 4 days ago

1. England population reaches ecological balance mediated by thousands-year old social hiarchies

2. Tax base plateaus

3. Import refugees and give them free money to increase tax base

4. Run out of natural resources

5. ?

6. Profit

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antonly 4 days ago | parent | next [-]

This is a really shallow and unfounded take. Sad to see this here.

This particular issue is imho mostly related to a lack in investment in water infrastructure (reservoirs and pipes). I don't see how migrants factor into this equation (not to mention that the "free money" given to migrants is scarcely a drop in the bucket). Please spread your hatred elsewhere.

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neuroelectron 4 days ago | parent | prev [-]

16%

As of the 2021 Census, approximately 16% of the population in England and Wales were born outside the UK, which translates to about 10 million people. This figure represents a significant increase from previous years, indicating a growing presence of foreign-born individuals in the country.

Wikipedia

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antonly 4 days ago | parent [-]

Woah there, not all foreign born people are refugees. That's some serious misunderstanding you have there.

Also, the "foreign born" statistic is pretty moot, seeing as UK was part of the EU until shortly before 2021 with free movement of labour. Most other European countries have higher levels of "foreign born" people living there, e.g. Austria, Germany and Sweden with around 20%[^1]. If you scroll further down, you see that ~half of these people are born within the EU.

So yeah, check your biases.

[^1]: https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php...

Btw, I am "foreign born" within the UK, doing my PhD here in computer science. Most of my colleagues aren't from within the UK either. This is not because of any "policy", there simply is not enough demand from UK students to fill these places. Good luck with your country once you convinced all of us to leave. Have fun drinking your water :)

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neuroelectron 3 days ago | parent [-]

Now you're just nitpicking, which proves my point since you cannot attack the main issue, which is free movement of labor undermining sovereignty and eventually quality of living.

	▲	antonly 3 days ago \| parent [-]
		I'm sorry, I don't follow. Can you point me to where exactly I am "nitpicking" and not addressing the "main issue"? Your main point was not "free movement of labor undermining sovereignty and eventually quality of living". You started off by implying that the problems we see come from a "Import refugees and give them free money" policy. I then pointed out that I don't think refugees receiving free money is the main problem, as there is comparatively little money going to refugees. You then point out that 16% of the UK were foreign born, implying that they were refugees, that they get "free money", and that this is the reason why the UK has infrastructure problems now. I simply pointed out that "foreign born" != "refugee". If we entertain your goalpost-shifting and argue about free movement of labour as the root cause for lessened sovereignty and quality of living, I would like to ask you to how Chinese students coming to your country to study, or eastern European truckers trucking around your goods exactly undermine the sovereignty of your country. I am honestly curious. I cannot figure out how this prevents your country from maintaining her own infrastructure. Btw, I would invite you to reflect a bit on how you came to the extremely reductionist viewpoint that all foreign born people are refugees.

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alt227 4 days ago | parent | prev [-]

If water companies had reinvested all the money that shareholders have taken as dividends over the years, then there would be more than enough drinking water for people to come to the UK for decades into the future.

We have not run out of natural resources, the issue is we have not built appropriate infrastructure to harness it for a very long time.