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jandrewrogers 3 days ago

The art world is just fine. Pretentious art speculation maybe not so much.

In a way, we are actually in a golden age. I lurk on social media accounts of amateur art enthusiasts around the globe with (IMHO) good taste who seek out interesting little known artists and post it on their feeds. I am introduced to so much great art that I probably would have never known about otherwise. If I see something I like, I search for the artist online and see if they have something available in their portfolio for sale that I love.

I’ve bought amazing art from talented artists around the globe that speak no common language with me. We get it done (Google Translate to the rescue). I don’t filter on price but virtually everything I’ve bought is always in a couple hundred dollars to a couple thousand dollars range. The fact that you can talk to the artist just adds to the story.

Forget the “tastemakers” in art. I can give my money to excellent artists directly, including many that never attracted the attention of tastemakers or who weren’t deemed worthy by said people. I received a huge piece from Denmark today. The whole experience is lovely and the artists really appreciate that someone loves their work. This is the future.

neuralkoi 3 days ago | parent | next [-]

Roughly a twentieth of all humans who have ever lived were born in just the past 50 years. I agree some of the best painters ever might actually be alive right now.

I've attended local art festivals (i.e. Atlanta Dogwood Festival) where I've bought some incredible prints and paintings in the hundred dollar range which are subjectively more beautiful compared to some of the stuff I've seen in the High Museum of Art in downtown Atlanta. For example:

https://www.instagram.com/alejandro_munoz_art

https://www.instagram.com/marirosafineart

https://www.instagram.com/s.carterscreations

https://www.instagram.com/shealeyartworks

https://www.instagram.com/salazarartes

http://bryanyung.com/ (no instagram)

Artists are the most interesting people you can ever talk to.

999900000999 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

You can also just commission the art you need, a few hundred dollars is damn good money in much of the world( even in the US, if a small painting takes a few hours to make, 400$ can be a fair price).

That said, I feel this article is really about our active recession. Rich people are cutting back too it seems.

jandrewrogers 3 days ago | parent | next [-]

I’ve never commissioned art but I am sorely tempted with a couple artists I’ve bought from. This may actually be the future for them.

Theodores 3 days ago | parent [-]

Until recent times, commissioning was how it worked. This was why we only had paintings of kings and that guy called Jesus until Bruegel came along and painted peasants. Nobody was just painting whatever they wanted to paint, hiring a gallery and selling their 'art'.

The title of 'artist' is also an interesting one. Some titles have to be earned, for example, you can't call yourself a 'genius', an 'intellectual' or a 'hero' for obvious reasons. Yet creatives can call themselves an 'artist' as job description without society deeming them to be an 'artist'. In the olden days, before mass production, artists were just tradesmen doing a good job at whatever their trade was.

Our idea of art is deeply tied into capitalism. Compare the art of indigenous peoples with Western art. Art is all about fame and fortune rather than a love of the subject material and the craft.

One problem with the current status quo is that most artists are not in the commissioning game. Artists want to paint whatever their thing is, not some patron's dog, fancy house, religious deity or elderly relatives. If you do know someone making a living from painting people's dogs, then the question has to be asked, are they a real artist, or just a craftsperson?

Take the case of the architect, where the client is invariably calling the shots. Are they an artist? They don't need to be since they have the title of 'architect', however, few of them are called 'artist'.

Being 'artist' also comes with some understanding that the 'artist' doesn't have to work in the conventional sense, and therefore an 'artist' is high status. It works a bit like 'foot binding' in that regard since some people will want their kids to grow up to be 'artists', as in high status and not working for a wage. Sometimes this is just to validate the parent's life choices and shore up their status.

The real art of the age is all around us and made by commercial artists.

The commercial artist has a client and patron in the company they work for. They make adverts, packaging designs and such like, working within constraints. If working for Ford, the commercial artist isn't going to redesign the blue oval, they have to stick to the style guide, working within the constraints to make something new, in time and on budget.

So yes, commission what you want from an artist that puts the customer first.

Regarding the article, in the UK we had an art movement at the turn of the century with the likes of Damien Hirst, Tracey Emin and their ilk, pushed by Saatchi into art superstardom. However, about a year before 2008, this hustle came crashing down. If we currently have some cooling off in the art market then that is an indicator that the economy as a whole is heading for tough times.

NaomiLehman 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

the materials (custom canvas, paints, brushes, multiple layers of varnish, packaging, shipping) are expensive and they have been getting very much more expensive since COVID. so a few hundred $ for a small painting is not a lot.

999900000999 2 days ago | parent [-]

Digital art it is!

That's actually the only art I've commissioned so far.

msegal 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Any good account suggestions?

earlyriser 3 days ago | parent | next [-]

I have been following:

https://www.instagram.com/piperbangs/

https://www.instagram.com/lauren.krasnoff/

https://www.instagram.com/artcarolinegaudreault/

https://www.instagram.com/gretchen_scherer/

https://www.instagram.com/jakeclarkjakeclark/

https://www.instagram.com/hilary_pecis/

And curating:

https://www.instagram.com/carriescottcurates/

https://www.instagram.com/mary_lynn_buchanan/

chamomeal 3 days ago | parent | next [-]

Damn it sucks that instagram is the defacto second internet. My gf finds so much cool stuff on IG. Local bands post their show dates, a brewery in my neighborhood posts their hours (it’s just a husband and wife, and their hours are whenever-I-feel-like-it). I don’t have instagram, so I’m just totally in the dark on all that stuff.

And I get it. Not everybody is going to make a website or blog or whatever. But it totally sucks that everybody and their dog is on instagram and it’s like this walled garden club that you just can’t access if you don’t want to support Facebook. The internet is cool! Why did we make it suck!!

I wonder if the instagram API lets you download enough data to make a public mirror of a user’s posts. It’d be cool to make a service that does something like that. Help people break their instagram dependency. Not that any meaningful amount of people would care to use it lol

zkmon 3 days ago | parent | next [-]

Exactly my feelings. I don't have fb and IG, and I feel left out. Also when I go to India, the local shops, unless they are really big, don't accept credit card or cash. The physical wallet has vanished. But in fairness, it is far easier for them to have online presence via IG or fb and reach their actual customers (not you and me).

earlyriser 3 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Yeah I feel this too. All of these artists have websites with the standard art format, but as RSS is dead outside our tech circle the only way to stay up to date is Instagram which all artists have, even those without a standard website. Cara is mainly illustrators, Artsy is for galleries (not artists).

fjfaase 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I had a quick look at these instagram links and except for the last two, they do not feel like 'Art', just like most novels are not considered literature. In the past years, I have visited a lot of art exhibitions (at museums and art galleries) and graduation shows of art schools here in the Netherlands. See: https://iwriteiam.nl/Exhibitions.html Even at those, I feel that a lot is crap, too conceptual. But there always some artists that stick out for some (often unexplained) reason. They have some new idea or make you view the world in a different way. They are not just repeating some gimmick or showing (exceptional) craftsmanship. Craftsmanship is not equal to art.

solomonb 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

Sadly I don't think this perspective will ever be accepted on HN.

Commercial galleries and the art school pipeline are awful in so many ways, but one thing that many people fail to understand is that art in its best light is an ongoing conversation.

Yes you can be incredibly skilled and build an aesthetically beautiful hand made work of art without ever being part of the larger art world. And as a viewer, you can appreciate that art and buy it and cherish it. This is good, great in fact.

But to say that is all that art should be is sort of missing the forest for the trees or whatever. We have this thousands of years old conversation going about form, color, concept, story, material, humanity, etc and when its working correctly the art world cultivates and encourages that conversation.

We can absolutely have this conversation without financializing art to the extreme as has been done the past 10 years, but lets not throw the baby out with the bathwater.

fjfaase 3 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Let me add something to this. If you buy a painting (or some other work of art) because it is captivating you, and you put it into your house, to enjoy, than that is great. I myself have bought some works of art, that are not be considered as 'Art', but that captivated me. For me that is the only reason to buy some work of art, if it captivates me, not if is a good investment.

ngruhn 3 days ago | parent | prev [-]

damn that's very cool stuff

jandrewrogers 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

There are myriad accounts. Who you follow is taste specific, you need to do your own work. Mine are exclusively on Twitter and I mostly found them by randomly clicking through art things on Twitter. My tastes in art cover a very broad spectrum. Gotta both explore and curate the feed.

My favorite piece acquired in the last few months is Olivier Neuray’s “L’Empire des Lumières”. Not everyone is going to appreciate it.

mns 3 days ago | parent [-]

That's actually great! This comment thread is such a breath of fresh air. We moved this year to a new place and was looking at art, and I had the feeling that art also became some sort of mass produced low cost product, and I wanted to look into smaller artists and original pieces. Loved the works of the artist you mentioned as well as some of the other ones mentioned above.

irsagent 3 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Second

Guestmodinfo 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Hi, Can you plz tell me the places where you lurk around for the beautiful art pieces. I have a friend who does amazing "slice of Life" photography. I want to showcase it somewhere that can sell their work. Also please let us see a photo of your art pieces from Denmark. Thank you

anal_reactor 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I never understood those ridiculous prices for artworks that look like poop. "Here's a few random splashes of yellow paint on red background, €300 000 please". I used to think that maybe I'm just too stupid to understand the truly fine art, but no, it's all just speculation and dick measuring contest for people with too much money.

I just finished decorating my living room. Majority are prints of pictures that I found on the internet and then pushed through an AI upscaler, which means the costs are equal to the printing service and they look amazing. Two pieces have been commissioned, and total cost of both of them with printing is below a thousand. Just recently I saw a beautiful painting in a gallery and it cost me a thousand. Art doesn't need to be expensive to be beautiful.

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