I have, the m4 is significantly ahead by any measure I’ve seen, with snapdragon just behind.

https://www.xda-developers.com/tested-apple-m4-vs-intel-luna...

The m4 is not the same fab technology so not comparable. If you want to discuss the validity of some CPU architecture it needs to be between comparable fab technology, M4 being a generation ahead there makes the comparison unfair.

If you compare like to like the difference almost completely disappears.

	▲	bfrog 3 days ago \| parent \| next [-]
		You mean how they all use tsmc n3 and the two arm parts still beat out lunar lake? It’s not like a whole generational node behind here. I get they aren’t the exact same process node but still.
	▲	bfrog 3 days ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		X elite uses an older node than lunar lake and does better