So Node also has semver and also package-lock.json, but these are pretty cumbersome. These are a huge part of this.

Why a package with 10+ million weekly downloads can just be "updated" like this is beyond me. Have a waiting period. Make sure you have to be explicit. Use dates. Some of the packages hadn't been updated in 7 years and then we firehosed thousands of CI/CD jobs with them within minutes?

npm and most of these package manager should be getting some basic security measures like waiting periods. it would be nice if I could turn semver off to be honest and force folks to actually publish new packages. I'm always bummed when a 4 layer deep dependency just updates at 10PM EST because that's when the open source guy had time.

Packages used to break all the time, but I guess things kind of quieted down and people stopped using semvers as much. Like I think major packages like React don't generally have "somedepend" : "^1.0.0" but go with "1.0.0"

I think npm and the community knew this day was coming and just hopes it'll be fixed by tooling, but we need fundamental change in how packages are updated and verified. The idea that we need to "quickly" rollout a security fix with a minor patch is a good idea in theory, but in practice that doesn't really happen all that often. My audit returns all kinds of minor issues, but its rare that I need it...and if that's the case I'll probably do a direct update of my packages.

Package-lock.json was a nice bandaid, but it shouldn't have been the final solution IMHO. We need to reduce semver usage, have some concept of package age/importance, and npm needs a scanner that can detect obviously obfuscated code like this and at least put the package in quarantine. We could also use some hooks in npm so that developers could write easy to control scripts to not install newer packages etc.

> Why a package with 10+ million weekly downloads can just be "updated" like this is beyond me. Have a waiting period. Make sure you have to be explicit. Use dates.

Yep. Also interesting how many automated security scanners picked this up right away ... but NPM itself can't be bothered, their attitude is "YOLO we'll publish anything"