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MangoToupe 4 days ago

I must admit I’m a little unnerved with how gleefully people enjoy using a fake slur. I realize it doesn’t harm anyone but I just don’t get the appeal.

nataliste 4 days ago | parent | next [-]

>I must admit I’m a little unnerved with how gleefully people enjoy using a fake slur. I realize it doesn’t harm anyone but I just don’t get the appeal.

I think there's a clear sociological pattern here that explains the appeal. It maps almost perfectly onto the thesis of David Roediger's "The Wages of Whiteness."

His argument was that poor white workers in the 19th century, despite their own economic exploitation, received a "psychological wage" for being "white." This identity was primarily built by defining themselves against Black slaves. It gave them a sense of status and social superiority that compensated for their poor material conditions and the encroachment of slaves on their own livelihood.

We're seeing a digital version of this now with AI. As automation devalues skills and displaces labor across fields, people are being offered a new kind of psychological compensation: the "wage of humanity." Even if your job is at risk, you can still feel superior because you're a thinking, feeling human, not just another mindless clanker.

The slur is the tool used to create and enforce that in-group ("human") versus out-group ("clanker") distinction. It's an act of identity formation born directly out of economic anxiety.

The real kicker, as Roediger's work would suggest, is that this dynamic primarily benefits the people deploying the technology. It misdirects the anger of those being displaced toward the tool itself, rather than toward the economic decisions that prioritize profit over their livelihoods.

But this ethos of economic displacement is really at the heart of both slavery and computation. It's all about "automating the boring stuff" and leveraging new technologies to ultimately extract profit at a greater rate than your competitors (which happens to include society). People typically forget the job of "computer" was the first casualty of computing machines.

beckthompson 3 days ago | parent [-]

This is an interesting perspective that I have not heard before. I have to think about it... Thanks for the insightful comment

chipsrafferty 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It's not a fake slur

MangoToupe 4 days ago | parent [-]

Oh well that makes me feel so much better about the people using this word.

cyberdick 3 days ago | parent [-]

I use clanka

MangoToupe 3 days ago | parent [-]

Disgusting. That's all I have to say.

serf 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

it kind of reminds me of 'mudblood' from harry potter a bit, also from pop fiction -- and similarly considered harmless.

yeah it's not directly harmful -- wizards aren't real -- but it also serves as an (often first) introduction to children of the concepts of familial/genetic superiority, eugenics, and ethnic/genetic cleansing.

I can't really think of any cases where setting an example of calling something a nasty name is that great a trait to espouse, to children or adults.

hiccuphippo 3 days ago | parent | next [-]

Wasn't muggle also a derogatory name? Some characters were wary of using mudblood but no one had issues with muggle.

rcxdude 3 days ago | parent [-]

It was more or less treated as the least-pejorative way of saying 'non-magic-aware' (in a similar-ish sense to 'Gentile'), but it seems like there's no way to have at least a little bit of negative implication given what it's denoting, and there's absolutely a sense that most wizards and witches consider themselves superior to the muggles.

Whereas 'mudblood' was specifically a slur against those of mixed heritage.

mrguyorama 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

>'mudblood' from harry potter a bit, also from pop fiction -- and similarly considered harmless

Considered harmless? The entire point of the "mudblood" slur is so JK can clearly signal who agrees with the literal Wizard Nazis! Anyone and everyone says "muggle", but calling someone a mudblood in the harry potter universe was how literal children reading knew you were the bad guy!

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bloqs 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

derogatory names are a standard form of human communication. You use them too

MangoToupe 3 days ago | parent [-]

I use them on rich parasites, not computer programs. It's embarrassing.

hiccuphippo 3 days ago | parent | next [-]

You obviously have not been rendering something for hours when your computer tells you it's going to restart in 10 minutes.

https://archive.org/details/youtube-3spnGnavWFg

Cthulhu_ 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

micro$oft / windows hate has been a thing for decades though.

shayway 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

You can tell a lot about a person by how they treat inanimate objects, or 'lesser' life forms like plants.

recursive 3 days ago | parent | next [-]

I treat inanimate objects with all due respect. In my opinion of course. In cases like musical instruments, that manifests in one way.

I think that LLM chatbots are fundamentally built on a deception or dark pattern, and respect them accordingly. They are built to communicate using and mimicking human language. They are built to act human, but they are not.

If someone tries to trick me into subscribing to offers from valued business partners, I will take that into account. If someone tries to take advantage of my human reactions to human language, I will also take that into account accordingly.

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Cthulhu_ 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It's memes / irony, it'll pass.

recursive 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It's a way of asserting human supremacy. Perhaps a way of pre-emptively undermining the possibility of establishing social norms requiring being polite and compassionate toward machines. That's just a guess on my part, but if it's even partly true, it's totally worth it IMO.

mvdtnz 3 days ago | parent | next [-]

You should see how I speak to my table saw.

fifticon 3 days ago | parent [-]

considering what a table saw is capable of, I advice to treat it with respect. My old father recently reattached the safety guard on his, in order to keep his remaining fingers.

recursive 3 days ago | parent [-]

None of the things a table saw is capable of result from being spoken to rudely.

curtisblaine 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> a way of pre-emptively undermining the possibility of establishing social norms requiring being polite and compassionate toward machines

Absolutely this,and it's worth. Imagine DEI training for being rude to ChatGPT.

MangoToupe 4 days ago | parent | prev [-]

I don't really feel like it's necessary to assert human supremacy. That sort of insecurity had never even occurred to me. What does that even mean? How are humans and machines even comparable? Do you think chatbots are trying to compete or compare themselves with us in any way?

recursive 4 days ago | parent [-]

> Do you think chatbots are trying to compete or compare themselves with us in any way?

No. If they were, I don't think they'd bother trying to convince us of anything.

For now, I'm thinking of things like the "AI boyfriend disaster" of the GPT-5 upgrade. I'm concerned with how these things are intentionally anthropomorphized, and how they're treated by other people.

In some years time, once they're sufficiently embedded into enough critical processes, I am concerned about various time-bomb attacks.

Whatever insecurity I'm feeling is not in a personal psychological dimension.

mvdtnz 4 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Are you kidding? Is this part of the joke?

marcosdumay 4 days ago | parent | next [-]

Half of the point of The Clone Wars is that their society is completely broken, and the people using that term are almost as much "programmed" and "enslaved" as the robots they are fighting against.

What yes, if this is part of your joke, then great. If not, you may actually be the butt of your own joke.

MangoToupe 4 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Sorry? What do you mean? I can't answer your confusion if I don't understand it.

mvdtnz 4 days ago | parent [-]

Are there people genuinely concerned about slurs against autocomplete computer programs?

marcusb 3 days ago | parent | next [-]

Apparently. See, for example, https://www.salon.com/2025/08/19/is-clanker-a-slur-anti-robo...

Cthulhu_ 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Given people say please and thank you to voice assistants, sure. Or given that a subset of "rationalists" like Musk are afraid that the Machine God is inevitable and will kill those that didn't help make the Machine God a reality / elevate those that did, also sure. See "Roko's Basilisk"

MangoToupe 3 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Yes. I find it disturbing that you'd rather pretend to be racist than be mad at actual humans who deserve it.

akimbostrawman 3 days ago | parent [-]

Machines aren't a race. If anything its speciest.

jdiff 3 days ago | parent [-]

Machines also aren't a species.