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thorum 3 days ago

> So: loss of technology is not impossible. But to an innovative and large culture like modern human civilization, it’s not really something that happens. It’s just a fun trope for stories. Let’s hope it remains that way.

I agree with “let’s hope it remains that way.” But you may be underestimating the fragility of modern human civilization and all the systems that are so effective at preserving knowledge. At the scale of history, most of our technology has only existed for the blink of an eye. It would not take much, really, for all this to go away.

Absent the internet, power grid, and other systems of global infrastructure, absent anyone to take care of the libraries (which are falling out of favor), absent an authority to gather together all the experts with their tightly focused specializations, absent the chip fabs and the global supply network, how exactly do you build a computer? Or even something as “simple” as a pencil?

bluGill 3 days ago | parent [-]

> absent an authority to gather together all the experts with their tightly focused specializations, absent the chip fabs and the global supply network, how exactly do you build a computer? Or even something as “simple” as a pencil?

You develop that first. If there is a nuclear war and somehow I survive with 5000 people near me survive (if we are scattered around the world that doesn't help) that is enough for genetic diversity and we can start rebuilding society. There are plenty of books in libraries. I can figure out how to make a primitive printing press (likely from clay - fragile but just the ability to print say 10 books from a plate is huge and seems possible). Books in libraries will last for a while, and we can figure out better ways to store them. In many be 1000 years, but what of physics and chemistry we are able to preserve will help whoever. They will develop different supply chains. They will start knowing a spinning wheel is possible (I don't know enough about the spinning jenny to automate it) - I know where I live warm clothing is critical and so I will be sure to take the time to develop a spinning wheel thus allowing women to not have to spend 12 hours a day with a drop spindle. That is time they can then spending on investing something else while the men farm. (there is good reason for this sexual division of labor so I'd be forced to bring it back in the early days)

MarkusQ 3 days ago | parent | next [-]

> There are plenty of books in libraries.

You might want to check that. There are definitely a few libraries with plenty of books but, as I was shocked to discover a year or so ago, public libraries don't have nearly as many books as they used to. They can "get them for you" via inter-library loan, if you are willing to wait a few weeks.

pfdietz 3 days ago | parent [-]

And university libraries are increasingly paperless.

gyomu 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Your plan sounds lovely, but I think you are greatly overestimating the amount of time you’ll be spending inventing shit, and underestimating the amount of time you’ll be farming food/fixing roofs/chopping wood/writhing in pain due to lack of medicine/etc.

thorum 3 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Sure but that’s exactly the “lost knowledge from a long gone advanced civilization” situation that this article suggests doesn’t happen.