▲ | PaulHoule 3 days ago | ||||||||||||||||
ISRU tends to make no sense at all when you have to move things from place to place, it makes more sense when you use them in place. For instance there may be some usable ice at the moon's poles maybe even some carbon. You could get oxygen out of rocks one way or another. You could make rocket fuel and launch stuff the conventional way but there are two problems: (1) Earth is the most competitive and cheapest market for everything in the solar system, and (2) lunar colonists might see volatiles as precious and decide to circularize them rather than expend them. [1] [2] Contrast that to Earth which has plenty of volatiles. There is the idea of O'Neill and Heinlein [1] of the lunar mass driver, the picture you get from The High Frontier and The Moon is a Harsh Mistress that it looks like a maglev train a few km long is totally wrong because your elevation angle is pretty high if you want to target the Earth-Moon L1 point or the Earth or LEO (assuming you can aerobrake reliably) If it is a few km long it is a slanted hole a few km deep. I don't know about coilguns but a railgun with 2.5 km/s that would fit on a ship has been tested [3] and you need 3.5 km/s to get to L1 -- one way or another I think a viable mass driver looks like the Paris Gun and shoots small payloads. If you could launch a 1kg payload per second you could put up a rail car worth of material in a day. O'Neill's students thought a lot about the "catcher" for stuff from the lunar mass driver and never came up with anything convincing if anybody else has I haven't seen it. [1] See The Moon is a Harsh Mistress [2] Niven's Protector talks about the problem of very long-term space colonies , starships and stuff losing volatiles at steady rate no matter how well you try to keep them in. [3] ... and burns up the barrels | |||||||||||||||||
▲ | MarkusQ 3 days ago | parent | next [-] | ||||||||||||||||
> ... your elevation angle is pretty high if you want to target the Earth-Moon L1 point or the Earth or LEO... You don't point at where you want to go. You point retrograde (relative to the moon's orbit) so that, after escaping the moon, the payload is just past the apogee of a transfer orbit with the desired perigee. Further, the moon isn't a flat disk, with the Earth "up"; getting the required angle is just a matter of choosing the right place on the surface of the moon (a sphere has multiple tangents pointing in any direction you want). So no, you wouldn't need "a slanted hole a few km deep". | |||||||||||||||||
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▲ | jacquesm 3 days ago | parent | prev [-] | ||||||||||||||||
Fascinating stuff, thank you for the comment. I always wonder to what degree the various 'hard SF' authors really run the numbers, some are very good at it, good enough that there are no immediately obvious mistakes, others get stuff glaringly wrong but still spin a good yarn. |