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DaiPlusPlus 6 days ago

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> Our World in Data is a project of Global Change Data Lab, a nonprofit based in the UK (Reg. Charity No. 1186433).

I'm a Brit too, but this article felt a bit too self-congratulatory given I've read other recent reports about other places (cites, regions, and entire countries) with overall safer roads; kinda like how we love to tell everyone how chuffed we are with how safe our AC plugs are.

JimDabell 6 days ago | parent | next [-]

The article starts off with a graph showing the UK has 2 deaths per 100k people, with Norway, Malta, Singapore, and Sweden at 1.9. It then finishes by saying:

> If every country could lower its rates to those of the UK, Sweden, or Norway, this number would be just under 200,000. We’d save one million lives every year.

The article wasn’t making the case that the UK is the absolute best, it was discussing what the UK did to change from being unsafe to much safer.

PaulRobinson 6 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Our AC plugs are, however, the safest design on the planet.

I think if these guys are honest about their numbers - and the main number they're calling out is a 22-fold decline in road deaths per mile driven in the last 75 years, which is remarkable - and shows those other safer regions in their comparisons, what is the problem?

zik 6 days ago | parent [-]

> Our AC plugs are, however, the safest design on the planet.

Not if you step on them with bare feet - those things are worse than LEGO. They could punch through a horse's hoof.

gerdesj 5 days ago | parent | next [-]

In 55 years I've never managed to do that, nor has anyone else I know. Plugs normally stay in the wall socket because they have a switch - each wall socket for general use must have a switch. The switch is quite hefty and very obviously off or on, with a red stripe. You get a satisfying audible and tactile click feedback when it is switched.

Recently a person brought in a laptop that had apparently been accidentally brushed off a desk, whilst closed, and had apparently fallen on an upturned plug. The plug had managed to hit the back of the screen, left quite a dent and spider cracking on the screen. The centre of the cracking did not match the dent ...

I'll have to do some trials but even if a plug is left on the ground, will it actually lie prongs upwards? I'll have to investigate lead torsion and all sorts of effects. Its on the to do list but not very high.

PaulRobinson 6 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Don't leave them unplugged. The standard requires all modern sockets to have switches, so there is no reason to have the plugs lying around on the floor.

chrismustcode 6 days ago | parent [-]

I’ve never had an experience in any house or office where there’s been enough sockets to leave everything plugged.

PaulRobinson 6 days ago | parent [-]

I've never had an experience in any house or office where anything has ever been unplugged other than to put it away (a kitchen appliance that doesn't need to live on a counter, or a hair dryer, for example).

Buy a fused extension cord with more plugs, you have now turned one socket into 4, 6, or 8 sockets. You can even get some that have USB built-in, so you don't use a socket up for a phone or tablet charger. They're not even very expensive.

And in an office, I'm pretty sure all equipment (computers, lights, controls for adjustable desks if you have them), are meant to remain permanently plugged in anyway in a properly installed desk setup. What is going on in your office where you're choosing what is plugged in and what isn't, constantly? And why can't your office manager spring £20 for an extension cord with multiple sockets?

michaelt 5 days ago | parent [-]

I've never stepped on a plug myself, so I agree it's not a major problem.

However, some older houses in the UK have far fewer sockets than more modern properties - sometimes only one or two per room.

And sure, if you need to use a hairdryer and a hair straightener a person with an orderly lifestyle might return them both to a cupboard afterwards - but some people don't mind clutter and just leave them wherever.

When it comes to multiway extension leads - people in the UK are sometimes told it's bad to "overload" sockets but have only a vague understanding of what that means, so some people are reluctant to use them.

gerdesj 5 days ago | parent | next [-]

"When it comes to multiway extension leads - people in the UK are sometimes told it's bad to "overload" sockets but have only a vague understanding of what that means, so some people are reluctant to use them."

To be fair, most people work on the assumption that if the consumer unit doesn't complain, then it is fair game. They are relying on modern standards, which nowadays is quite reasonable. I suppose it is good that we can nowadays rely on standards.

However, I have lived in a couple of houses with fuse wire boards, one of which the previous occupants put in a nail for a circuit that kept burning out.

Good practice is to put a low rated fuse - eg 5A (red) into extension leads for most devices. A tuppence part is easy and cheap to replace but if a few devices not involved with room heating/cooling blow a 5A fuse, you need to investigate. A hair dryer, for example, should not blow a 5A fuse.

Dylan16807 5 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Hair dryer and straightener would both be on a counter, right? No stepping issue there. And the same for appliance switching.

The only thing I plug in at ground level that isn't semi-permanent is a vacuum. No plugs are left lying around all day.

goopypoop 6 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

they are also really tough to swallow

rusk 6 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

That’s a nice reminder that they should be respected. Not left lying around.

marliechiller 6 days ago | parent | prev [-]

why are you stepping on them?

robertlagrant 6 days ago | parent | next [-]

Sometimes you've just got to put your foot down.

throwaway290 6 days ago | parent | prev [-]

because sometimes you unplug it and leave it around. unless you live like a king sometimes there is 2 sockets and you have 5 devices to plug at different times. european and other ones will be on the side so stepping on it is no problem but uk ones will be the pointy end up

DaiPlusPlus 6 days ago | parent | next [-]

> european and other ones will be on the side

There's almost a dozen different plug/socket types used in Europe though: https://www.plugsocketmuseum.nl/Overview.html

I will say, you definitely can tread on a German "Schuhko" plug (if it has a flat face) just like a UK one.

masfuerte 6 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Live like a king!

Are these prices beyond your means?

https://www.argos.co.uk/search/extension-lead/

throwaway290 5 days ago | parent [-]

I have one too! 3 out of 6 plugs stopped working! I have 2 plugs outside of mini kitchen area and I have laptop, phone charger, camera charger, 2 ikea lamps, .......

there are no uk plugs here so I'm not complaining:)

if keeping everything plugged works for you, awesome!

devnullbrain 5 days ago | parent | prev [-]

You're leaving lengths of strong flexible wire lying around places where you walk and are worried you might get hurt? Uh, yeah!

throwaway290 5 days ago | parent [-]

I don't worry about it:) I'm not in UK

rgblambda 6 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

>kinda like how we love to tell everyone how chuffed we are with how safe our AC plugs are.

I would actually love to see some data that compares total deaths and injuries per capita from electrocution from plugs across different countries. I have a feeling the total worldwide figures are tiny in comparison to injuries from stepping barefoot/putting your knee on UK plugs.

Also, UK plugs tend to have the wire coming out the bottom and then curving upwards as the electrical device is usually above the socket, over time resulting in an exposed wire, while most other plugs have the wire coming out the centre.

ajb 5 days ago | parent | next [-]

I've never seen a plug that has an exposed wire for that reason - all the plugs have a heavy clamp internally that attaches to the outer sheath, preventing the movement that would cause this. I would suspect that any plugs where wear has caused exposure are either properly ancient, or were wired incorrectly (eg by trimming the outer sheath short of the clamp).

closewith 6 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The big danger from outlets and plugs is fire rather than electric shock, which is what you'd need to compare.

mjg59 5 days ago | parent | prev [-]

The nominal idea is that having them come straight out encourages people to remove plugs by pulling on the cord, which introduces even more strain than having a curved wire - although maybe this ends up being an argument to mount UK sockets the other way up?

zelos 6 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It would be more interesting to compare the rates of serious injury (including death), I think. That would remove the effect of improvements in medical treatement over time.

louthy 6 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> kinda like how we love to tell everyone how chuffed we are with how safe our AC plugs are.

I never see Brits saying this. Only people from other nations.

The plugs are the safest though!

DaiPlusPlus 6 days ago | parent [-]

Oblig: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEfP1OKKz_Q

louthy 6 days ago | parent [-]

Oblig:

https://youtu.be/139Q61ty4C0?feature=shared

https://youtu.be/92YHhed3B-Y?feature=shared

https://youtu.be/dTPuYf30B1M?feature=shared

https://youtu.be/efh4k6TJa2c?feature=shared

https://youtu.be/2rQiiOKIEcU?feature=shared

https://youtu.be/eeT5xtc_Dd4?feature=shared

+1000s more…

DaiPlusPlus 6 days ago | parent [-]

> I never see Brits saying this

...but that was my point: Tom Scott is British.

louthy 6 days ago | parent [-]

Right. I had never seen it. That was my point.

Now I’ve seen 1.

Theodores 5 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Definitely self-congratulatory.

I chose active travel over car dependency at an early age. I also worked in the cycle trade. My opinion is that roads have become far more dangerous, however, most of what can be killed by the car has already been killed and the reason for fewer deaths is slimmer pickings.

Children and the elderly are two canaries in the coal mine.

Kids used to get new bicycles at Christmas, play in the streets and be 'free range' in the UK. Nowadays they are all welded to mobile phones and cocooned in SUVs. Only something like one on four know how to ride a bicycle nowadays and that Christmas trade in bicycles died thirty years ago.

Although you see a fair few Lime bikes and people commuting by bicycle in London, most bicycles are sold to rich people for them to strap to cars, for them to drive to a designated safe spot, for them to ride from the car park in a loop back to the car park. You never see these bicycles parked up next to the door at a supermarket or even at a railway station, partly due to the risk of theft, but also due to the dangers of the road.

As for the elderly, nowadays they are boomers and they all have cars. They only give up their car keys when they get condemned to retirement homes. Hence, like kids, old people are not to be found in the streets, unless cocooned in tin boxes.

As for being cocooned in a tin box, what happened to spirited driving? In the 1970s it was normal for people to cross the country with no sat nav or seat belt, driving as if they were in a Group B rally car, taking their special shortcuts, drunk, with cigarette in hand. Nowadays this doesn't happen, people in cars just shuffle from traffic light to traffic light fearing CCTV and speed cameras.

We have also priced out younger motorists, who would have been the 'spirited drivers'.

Hitchhiking used to exist in the 1970s. Thatcher era stranger danger put an end to that, so nobody hitchhikes these days. Does this mean that hitchhiking is safer? No!

There is another aspect of car dependency and 'safety'. Sure, you might not get killed in an ultra-violent crash in a tin-box cocoon, however, what about cardiovascular disease? Being car dependent and eating the convenience foods of the car dependent is a shortcut to obesity, high blood pressure, diabetes, heart disease, cognitive decline and death by blocked arteries.

The government knows this, and this is why 'active travel' is a phrase. By 2030 the UK government wants more than half of all journeys in built up areas to be 'active travel' rather than lame car dependency.