| ▲ | arcane23 7 days ago |
| >discourage theft Does it though? Are there statistics that clearly show devices aren't being stolen anymore because they cannot monetize them anymore? The way I see it the only thing this does is make you feel better the thief cannot monetize it, or use it, but it does nothing to prevent the theft which is really a moot point in the grand scheme of things. We end up paying in this way, of not having the freedom to easily and cheaply replace parts, while being comforted that even though they still are getting stolen from us, whoever steals them cannot use/monetize them. Which is quite primitive in a sense, and I do not think it's worth it. But that's just me. |
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| ▲ | jajuuka 7 days ago | parent | next [-] |
| According to the GSMA last year phone theft (which arguably has much more part serialization and anti-theft measures implemented) has been a steady 1% of smart phone users worldwide. It does not seem these attempts to lock down systems are successful in reducing theft. https://www.gsma.com/solutions-and-impact/industry-services/... However I wonder if they have had an impact on data and financial theft. Which things like part serialization wouldn't affect but system security measures would. |
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| ▲ | tpmoney 6 days ago | parent | next [-] | | In the early days, iPhones being both extremely popular and expensive made them pretty big theft targets and Apple was getting pressure from the various state governments to "do something" about the increases in phone theft. At least according to NY and CA, the activation lock alone in iOS7 caused double digit drops in the iPhone theft rates: https://appleinsider.com/articles/14/06/20/police-say-ios-7-... | |
| ▲ | mr_toad 7 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Alternatively, without these measures phone theft might be a lot more than 1% of users. People get killed for less than a smartphone costs. | |
| ▲ | shuckles 7 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | It’s a dynamic system. The number staying the same doesn’t tell you anything about causality or the counterfactual. | |
| ▲ | userbinator 7 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | I suspect the majority of phone thieves don't care about the previous owner's data, they just want it wiped so it can be sold to someone else. |
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| ▲ | phoronixrly 7 days ago | parent | prev [-] |
| Yeah, imagine a world where people who are forced to steal are competent enough not only to know which phones they can sell, but to be able to guess the make and model in the middle of a mugging |
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| ▲ | reaperducer 7 days ago | parent | next [-] | | imagine a world where people who are forced to steal are competent enough not only to know which phones they can sell, but to be able to guess the make and model in the middle of a mugging No need to imagine. This actually happens with watches. In Hong Kong (and likely other cities), you can pick a watch from a "catalog" that is a binder of photos of watches on people's wrists in public, and the middleman will have the watch custom-stolen for you. | | |
| ▲ | aspenmayer 6 days ago | parent [-] | | Part of me believes this is true. The other part suspects this is a fancy way to sell custom fakes with no refunds. |
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| ▲ | seventhtiger 7 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | They actually do though. First thing to learn when swiping is what's worth swiping, and if no one will buy an iphone paper weight then it's not worth the risk. | | |
| ▲ | arcane23 7 days ago | parent | next [-] | | That might account for a small set of scenarios, most times they just go for whatever sticks to their hand, in pockets/purses, without knowing what they'll get. As long as there's devices that can be monetized they will attempt to steal them if they cannot make sure it's not worth it. And this would account for pros, let alone newbs in stealing, or just irrational behavior, or people who just enjoy creating harm with no gain.
I think this is a case where the justification is weak and in reality it's more about greed and control on Apple's side rather than some potential benefit that is actually seriously diluted by a lot of other not mentioned factors. | | |
| ▲ | seventhtiger 6 days ago | parent [-] | | For example in the UK the police did a sting simply by wearing expensive watches, and caught 31 robbers in a 12 month period. https://www.bbc.com/news/av/uk-68003783 I agree that all the random factors you mentioned exist, and the proportion to random vs targeted theft would be an interesting debate, but there's solid evidence for significant targeted theft. The fencers tell the thieves what to look for. |
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| ▲ | jajuuka 7 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | Yeah it's like saying "home invaders don't know if there is anything good inside they just choose houses at random." The point of the theft is to get something out of it. | | |
| ▲ | nwallin 7 days ago | parent [-] | | I've thankfully never had my house robbed, or a cell phone or laptop stolen. I have had my car broken into. The thieves chucked a paving stone through the window, grabbed a backpack sitting on the passenger's seat, and ran off with it. Left the paving stone in the driver's seat. The backpack had my gym clothes in it. A T-shirt I was rather fond of, a pair of shorts, a few extra pairs of socks, and a shitty pair of sneakers, all were well worn. Replacing the backpack and gym clothes was probably $100, market value was maybe $10, and it was $507 to fix the window. (my deductible was $500.) | | |
| ▲ | fluoridation 7 days ago | parent | next [-] | | I thought you were going to say "but they ignored the $100 textbook on the dashboard" or something. The anecdote doesn't demonstrate anything. How much of an inconvenience the theft was for you is not a factor for the thief. They got $10 by chucking a rock through a window, and they only lost the opportunity cost of choosing a different victim. | | |
| ▲ | seabass-labrax 6 days ago | parent [-] | | They had to take the cumulative risk of getting caught though - one well-targeted burglary to take a designer handbag or diamond necklace would earn that thief as much as the indiscriminate 'stealing nwallin's gym clothes' thief would make in a year, as long as they had the network to sell the contraband on without incriminating themselves. | | |
| ▲ | fluoridation 6 days ago | parent | next [-] | | That risk is there regardless of what they steal. The kind of thieves who break into cars are low-effort-random-reward. They have neither the patience nor the skill nor the resources for the kind of planning you're referring to. Yes, the bag didn't contain much valuable. A different bag might have. Had the thief known that for a fact beforehand they probably wouldn't have bothered. Outside nwallin's car: no valuables Inside nwallin's car: maybe valuables? | |
| ▲ | mensetmanusman 6 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | There is no risk in may states like California: |
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| ▲ | int_19h 5 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | I had my apartment broken in at one point many years ago, and the thief basically only bothered to take my MacBook Air. Nothing else was missing. |
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| ▲ | niklassheth 7 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | The majority of phones in the US are iPhones, especially in big cities where phone theft is most common. |
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