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| ▲ | akk0 7 days ago | parent | next [-] | | Fediverse will never be useful because balkanization isn't a desirable feature. The question of "which server should I sign up for" is an irredeemable anchor around anyone's neck before they can even start using it. I'm all for decentralized social media but the whole federated model is so bad. | | |
| ▲ | patrickdavey 7 days ago | parent [-] | | Have you actually tried using it? I love mastodon now! You can just follow people as normal, a number of pretty interesting folks hang out on there (Brian Krebs etc). No ads, a timeline which isn't endless and you can actually just read. It's actually really nice! I also think the decentralized non proprietary model brings us closer to something which is becoming ever more important in this world we find ourselves in. | | |
| ▲ | franga2000 7 days ago | parent | next [-] | | Using it isn't the problem, joining it is. Finding a server that has the right combination of - isn't The Big One (defeats the point)
- has a nice domain (that's your name forever)
- is stable (major downtime or data loss is unacceptable these days)
- is guaranteed to stick around forever (no, migration isn't solved and it will never not suck)
- has rules you agree with and can guarantee you'll follow
- is running the right software (no, "fedi" isn't compatible, you either run Mastodon or things will always be ever so slightly broken) | | |
| ▲ | seabass-labrax 6 days ago | parent [-] | | Some of the points you make are still true, but I think you're a little out of date. Migration is not solved, but it also doesn't suck - unless you're doing it every week nothing will break, and several people I follow have already done it and it's been just fine. Stability is also fine - if your server is down for a couple of hours, your timeline will catch up when it comes back online, and likewise your sent posts will stay in a local outbox until they can be sent. That's absolutely no different from email or Jabber or anything else. "Fedi" is compatible enough that I run my own GoToSocial server, which is technically still beta software, and I haven't experienced any issues following and interacting with anyone on Mastodon, Pixelfed, Pleroma and quite a few other platforms. Would I recommend it to a non-technical user, someone who wasn't really interested in 'servers' and 'clients' and 'protocols'? Yes, although I'd suggest they just go for The Big One, as you put it. What I would say though is that this is no longer just a technology for Web nerds any longer; it's a very viable alternative to centralized platforms. |
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| ▲ | akk0 7 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | I made a serious effort to look into it, but without already knowing where I want to be it was impossible to decide which server to sign onto and it's an expensive choice to make upfront since they don't all federate with each other and even the ones that do federate are not guaranteed to not start beef with each other. That's before even getting to the fact that I can name at least 4 different protocols off the top of my head (Mastodon, Pleroma, Akkoma, Misskey) at various levels of not-entirely-incompatible with each other. I remember there being work on between-server account moving mechanisms in some state of almost-partially-working, too. Maybe things have changed now but I doubt it, everything I saw in the ecosystem just seemed to promote balkanization as a feature. I'd love a truly decentralized model for this but fediverse isn't it, fediverse is a Hellenic League of city states where your ability to interact outside your bubble is beholden to your and their local leadership and shifting realities of protocol war jank. If you do think my opinion is uninformed or mistaken at least know that I know many times more people who bounced off the idea for these reasons than people who actually managed to make heads or tails of this. Fwiw I don't use xitter/bsky either. |
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| ▲ | epistasis 7 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Why click on a link that works versus one that doesn't? Is that the question? It's a weird form of evangelism to say that one shouldn't use the working link because it may not work in the future. That's the nature of web, most links decay. | |
| ▲ | fragmede 6 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I'm only going to to be alive for a million more hours, and the BDFL in charge of this Xitter is doing a way better job of things. Year of Linux desktop when? | |
| ▲ | EA-3167 7 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | This is exactly why I avoid things like Mastodon as well, because the problem isn't who controls the format, it's the format itself. Who controls the format sure doesn't help, but if you imagine Mastodon becoming as universally adopted as Twitter and seriously don't think it would be a massive mess, then I envy your optimism. | | |
| ▲ | opan 7 days ago | parent | next [-] | | Fedi is different because it isn't proprietary or centralized. A new proprietary and/or centralized alternative is never the answer. That's just buying time. Personally I am not a fan of the Mastodon software or side of fedi, but I have had good times on the Pleroma/Akkoma side, and it all works together. | | |
| ▲ | OJFord 7 days ago | parent [-] | | It will never be 'it', because I - despite being technically capable of running server on bare metal or something - have no idea what you're talking about. Fedi, Mastodon, Pleroma, Akkoma, there's too much to know or read about before you can just use it. People go to Facebook, to twitter.com, and just sign up and use it and know what it is. | | |
| ▲ | setr 7 days ago | parent [-] | | I don’t think that matters that much; it’s still just a popularity contest, and if something manages to break through that threshold, it’ll be trivial enough to make the default. No one knew Reddit boards and 4chan boards either; you just knew to go to /b/ or /r/funny. The other boards, the other fediverse servers, are just details that enable other subcommunities to survive. The major community will just route to a single server, and most will probably never use a second | | |
| ▲ | jama211 7 days ago | parent [-] | | Not who you were speaking to, but you just tried to trivialise the power of friction in a signup process, which goes _strongly_ against all known research on the topic. |
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| ▲ | Jyaif 7 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | A social network does not have to be universally adopted to be interesting because the vast majority of the folks do not do or think anything interesting. A social network with just the top 1% of the geeks would be absolutely amazing. | | |
| ▲ | jama211 7 days ago | parent [-] | | They called it a “Trojan horse” they shouldn’t be distracted from. They were stating that it was more likely to fail, which isn’t true. You can challenge that without challenging the idea that mastodon can still be a cool place, no one said they couldn’t. |
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