> your assertion is that a human with access to arbitrarily good camera feeds could not drive a car at level 5?

No. I live in snow country. Folks with vestibular issues are advised to pull over in snowstorms because sometimes the only indication that you have perpendicular velocity and are approaching a slide off the road or spin is that sense. My Subaru has on more than one occasion noticed a car before I did based on radar.

Vision only was a neat bet. But it will cost Tesla first to market status generally and especially in cities, where regulators should have fair scepticism about a company openly trying to do self driving on the cheap.

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rogerrogerr 4 days ago | parent [-]

Teslas definitely have accelerometers/gyros, and have access to the torque and RPM on every wheel. It has a much better picture of the 3D motion of the car relative to the road than any human driver.

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ModernMech 4 days ago | parent [-]

Dynamics don't help when you are blinded by the sun or can't discern the broadside of a firetruck.

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rogerrogerr 4 days ago | parent [-]

Cameras can clearly discern the broadside of a firetruck. Whether some earlier build didn't detect one doesn't change that firetrucks reflect plenty of photons to be detectable.

I'm consistently surprised by how immune to sun-blindness my car is. It regularly reads traffic lights that have the sun right next to them; I've never seen any discernible degradation due to too much light, too little light, or bad contrast of any kind.

You're just bringing up a never-ending stream of but-what-abouts, so I'm done refuting them after this. It's not a good use of my time.

	▲	ModernMech 3 days ago \| parent [-]
		Your personal experience with your car doesn't change that Tesla is waving the white flag due to the fact the sensor system Musk insisted on has caused deaths and is too unreliable to deliver full autonomy. The sun has confounded Tesla autonomy since its inception, and its shortcomings caused multiple decapitations: https://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-tesla-florida-acciden... > You're just bringing up a never-ending stream of but-what-abouts By "what abouts" you of course mean "shortcomings of camera-only systems that make them unsuitable for full autonomy." > It's not a good use of my time. No it's not, it's a losing battle, and Musk has admitted it. Camera-only systems will not enable full self driving. Y'all got scammed.