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rtpg 5 days ago

In the initial era of the split between North and South Korea, South Korea both was run by a bunch of people who had a history of outright killing leftists, and the United States was involved in similar actions.

The lack of serious offramps to reunification, along with not as huge a delta in quality of life between north and south for a long time (aid from other countries sure helps!), allowed the DPRK to establish itself as its own nation.

Now there is the surveillance state apparatus allowing the DPRK to exist in its current form in perpetuity. And even if tomorrow they showed up and said "let's unify Korea", South Korea (even ignoring all the ideological reasons it might not want to) would likely be unwilling to absorb an extremely poor country and pay for it (see the painful experience of Germany's unification).

There is probably no off ramp that exists unless people are willing to let the elite walk away clean from the situation in one way or another, and it seems hard to imagine such a future.

And if you are a north korean elite and you are allowed to travel to northern china, you will see a place where things are running more smoothly, but you're still going to see places with massive amounts of internal controls and restrictions. So who's offering the upside to some regime change here?

brabel 4 days ago | parent [-]

> see the painful experience of Germany's unification

I had thought that Germans from both sides were overwhelmingly supportive of re-unification, even if it would cause short-term pain??

jonasdegendt 4 days ago | parent | next [-]

It's my understanding there were plenty of USSR nostalgics in the east given how long it took for the free market to "trickle down" and the east to catch up economically. They never did catch up all the way anyway.

ViktorRay 4 days ago | parent [-]

Today the areas that were previous controlled by East Germany overwhelmingly vote for right wing parties though.

I believe the AfD political party in Germany won significant support in those areas of Germany that were once behind the Iron Curtain.

immibis 4 days ago | parent [-]

Yes, they won control of an entire state and almost won another.

People vote far right because they're fed up with the status quo, and perceive the far right can't be that much worse when everything is already so bad. Politicians who are not far right would do well to take this into account in their politics. Sadly, they don't, and history repeats.

rtpg 4 days ago | parent | prev [-]

I don't think that people are like... against unification in principle, but if you are looking at it from the perspective of the State.... lots of pain and money, and at least in the German experience there was plenty of decent state enterprises for West Germany to (glibly) pillage from. People will handwave about North Korean resources, but even those are more or less accessible via China.

And on top of that at the end of the day Germany now has this bloc that votes "the wrong way" in all of its elections. Glib analysis though.

The German split was resolved 35 years ago and is still visible. How much time would a reunified Korea take to equalize itself? If you're a person who cares only about the economics of it all, how long do you think it would take for the payoff of unification to occur? Just seems quite long.

brabel 3 days ago | parent [-]

Would you consider that half of the USA also votes the wrong way too? And the UK? London people tend to think the rest of the country votes wrong as well. There is a divide in most countries, I think Germany is not that different, except for the fact that it actually was split up before!