▲ | thisoneisreal 5 days ago | |
This strikes me as a perfect description of the core problem. Whenever I think about this, what sticks out to me is that other animals do all sorts of things that look like "intelligence," or at least cognition, and they do it totally without language. My cat clearly recognizes objects, assigns them different values ("scary," "tasty," "fun to play with"), interacts with them in some kind of loop, even predicts their behavior to some extent and acts curious about them (it was really fun to watch her try to figure out the construction guys when I had some work done on my house over a period of a few days). These strike me as much more foundational aspects of intelligence than language. Language has of course immeasurably contributed to what makes human cognition and intelligence, but it's almost certainly built on these pre-linguistic foundations. Another very good hint in this direction is all of the non-verbal thinking that humans have done. Einstein has a famous quote about thinking visually and physically, without using language at all. All of these are powerful suggestions that something else is going on, and most likely some aspect of these things are necessary for true intelligence. | ||
▲ | simianparrot 4 days ago | parent [-] | |
I’ve always thought everyone agreed language was a lossy but useful method of compression for sharing inner concepts and ideas. That my conscious thoughts are “in a language” doesn’t mean my reasoning and entire being interacts with the world using language. I’m only “thinking in language” when I’m practicing compressing my intent into a shareable format. I don’t think about the majority of highly complex interactions I have with the physical world throughout the day. As a child did you need to be able to explain in language how the physics of a swing works to be able to use it? Did other kids have to explain it to you in detailed language for you to pick up on how to move your body to do complex tasks? No. In fact exactly because our compression and decompression of language is even more limited as children, we rely more heavily on raw observation and mimicry of actions occurring in reality itself. The very idea that a language model can recreate everything we do from the lossy and compressed languages we use to share limited descriptions of much more complex intentions and actions is fundamentally flawed and oversimplified. |