The underlying issue here isn’t AI based policing, it’s the fact private entities have enough unregulated influence on peoples’ daily life that their use of these or any such policy mechanisms are undemocratically effecting people in notably significant ways. The Facebook example is, whatever, but what if it’s some landlord renting making a decision, some health insurance company deciding your coverage, etc.

Now obviously this won’t stop with private entities, state and federal law enforcement are gung-ho to leverage any of these sorts of systems and have been for ages. It doesn’t help the current direction the US specifically is moving in, promoting such authoritarian policies.

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lumost 5 days ago | parent | next [-]

We already live in this world for health insurance. The ai can make plausible sounding denials which a doctor can rubber stamp. You have no ability to sue the doctor for malpractice, you cannot appeal the decision.

Medical insurance is quickly becoming a simple scam where you are forced to pay a private entity that refuses to ever perform its function.

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immibis 4 days ago | parent | next [-]

Worth noting this isn't hypothetical. There was a story a while back where a health insurance company would hire real doctors to sit at computers all day clicking "accept AI resolution" over and over (they were fired if they rejected AI resolutions) because the law required that.

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lumost 4 days ago | parent [-]

Yup! Just fought three denials with Cigna over the last 6 months for rejections of basic appointments for a physical, an ambulance ride for a family member, and one bigger ticket health expense.

They haven’t approved a single insurance claim submitted without calling and fighting it out with them. Each rejection letter looks plausible, although often nonsensical given the situation.

	▲	A4ET8a8uTh0_v2 4 days ago \| parent [-]
		It almost makes me wonder if the solution is the same as for arbitration clause. Giving users the ability to fight it in a semi-automatic way as well ( so AI generated response plan, calls and so on ). I am not entirely certain where it would go, but.. where we are at is already annoying. I have a good medical insurance and they still keep trying to chisel any way they can ( wife just got a letter asking to confirm she does not, in fact, have a health plan in her job ).

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olddustytrail 5 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Most first world countries don't have this. It's not a given.

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azemetre 5 days ago | parent [-]

The US is usually a hot bed of experimentation in corporate malfeasance.

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abustamam 5 days ago | parent [-]

As an American, it's funny how ahead and "first world" the US can be in some things, but how backwards and "developing country" the US can be in other things.

Medicine itself is very first-world. But medical insurance is one of those "worse than developing country" things. The fact that Americans need medical insurance at all is appalling to many countries, first world and otherwise.

And of course, by funny I mean "I can only laugh otherwise I'd cry"

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gregoryl 4 days ago | parent [-]

Which things are the US ahead in?

	▲	abustamam 4 days ago \| parent \| next [-]
		Good question. Technology, for one. Is it the first in technology? Probably not. But when comparing first world countries with developing countries, technology is where the US's economic output is. And also military, though I'm not sure if that's something to be proud of.
	▲	philipallstar 4 days ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		Immigration

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giancarlostoro 5 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I mean, I no longer work at this place.. and I have no idea what % of customers used Facebook to login to their accounts, but I'm sure someone would have been mad they couldn't get the famous butter biscuits reward if I had gotten banned, and Facebook had proceeded to ban our FB app. ;)

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Ray20 5 days ago | parent | prev [-]

> what if it’s some landlord renting making a decision, some health insurance company deciding your coverage, etc.

Then you simply use the services of another private company. Here, in fact, there are no particular dangers, after all, private companies provide services to people because it is profitable for private companies.

	▲	BiteCode_dev 5 days ago \| parent [-]
		This works only if none of those are true: - There is real competition. It's less and less the case for many important things, such as food, accommodations, health, etc. - Companies pay a price for misbehaving that is much higher than what they got from misbehaving. Also less and less the case, thanks to lobbying, huge law firms, corruption, etc. - The cost of switching is fair. Moving to another places is very expensive. Doing it several times in a row is rarely possible for most people. - Some practice are not just generalized in the whole industry. In IT tracking is, spying is, and preventing you from managing your device yourself is more and more trendy. Basically, this view you are presenting is increasingly naive and even dangerous for any citizen practicing it.