This is extremely narrow minded. As another commenter pointed out, you are driving on easy mode in terms of environment and where a majority of the training was done.

This is not a general solution, it is an SF one... at best.

Most humans also don't get in accidents or have problems with phantom breaking within the timeframe that you mentioned.

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brandonagr2 4 days ago | parent | next [-]

> Most humans also don't get in accidents

Have you met any humans? Or seen people driving?

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cpuguy83 3 days ago | parent [-]

Way to cut my sentence I half. That's not what I said and you know it.

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fossuser 5 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Oh please - people excuse and dismiss major accomplishments, you can send a skyscraper to mars and people on HN will still be calling you a fraud.

The Bay Area has massive traffic, complex interchanges, SF has tight difficult roads with heavy fog. Sometimes there’s heavy rain on 280. 17 is also non trivial.

What Tesla has done is not trivial and roads outside the bay are often easier.

People can ignore this to serve their own petty cognitive bias, but others reading their comments should go look at it for themselves.

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Idesmi 3 days ago | parent | next [-]

> you can send a skyscraper to mars and people on HN will still be calling you a fraud

To date, SpaceX has sent nothing to Mars. Not to understate the company's accomplishment, but "people on HN" are fed up exactly with statements like yours.

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fossuser 3 days ago | parent [-]

People here just whine and complain - yes they’ve “only” just sent a skyscraper to space for now and caught the booster on reentry, it’s a work in progress (along with their reusable rockets, earth scale telecom side project etc.)

My point is people will still be calling him a fraud when they do get it to mars, no evidence is sufficient for the HN cynic that thinks their “above the fray” ethos makes them smart.

Tesla has had massive success despite the haters, the model y becoming the literally best selling car on earth and you wouldn’t know it from HN. FSD has gotten really good, good enough to use more than not as they continue to improve it.

The best thing about capitalism is the losers here don’t matter - the winners get rich and keep going.

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cpuguy83 3 days ago | parent [-]

I said nothing about SpaceX here nor did I condemn Tesla ... or even mention Tesla.

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		You downplayed what Tesla FSD can do and said I was being narrow minded and the Bay Area driving is "easy mode" and said vision isn't a general solution. I think none of this is true.

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lightedman 5 days ago | parent | prev [-]

I have ridden in many Tesla-based Ubers with human drivers using autopilot.

Here outside of Los Angeles, about an hour east, they do not do well at all on their 'auto-pilot.'

Your area has the benefit of being one of the primary training areas, and thus the dataset for your area is good.

Try that here. I'll be more than happy to watch you piss yourself as the Tesla tries to take you into the HOV lane THROUGH THE BARRIERS.

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		Auto-Pilot is not FSD. It's akin to a regular carmaker's Automatic-Braking-System and Lane-Keep-Assist. If you're seeing it used dangerously that's user error.