Is Full just a catch word for actually not full now?

Full Speed USB is 12Mbps, nobody wants a Full Speed USB data transfer.

Full Self Driving requires supervision. Clearly, even Tesla understands the implication of their name, or they wouldn't have renamed it Full Self Driving Supervised... They should probably have been calling it Supervised Self Driving since the beginning.

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gcanyon 5 days ago | parent [-]

Autopilot on a plane requires a pilot in the cockpit. Does that make it "not auto"?

I get that there are many who rush to defend Musk/Tesla. I'm not one of them.

I was just caught off guard by the headline. To me, changing “Full Self-Driving” to “Full Self-Driving (Supervised)” doesn't merit the headline "Tesla changes meaning of ‘Full Self-Driving’, gives up on promise of autonomy".

Again, to me "Full Self-Driving" never meant you would retro-fit your Tesla to remove the steering wheel, nor even set it for someplace and go to sleep. To me, it meant not needing to have your hands on the steering wheel and being able to have a conversation while maintaining some sort of situational awareness, although not necessarily keeping your eyes fully on the road for the more monotonous parts of a journey.

As others have pointed out, Tesla/Musk sometimes claimed more than that, but the vast majority of their statements re: FSD hew closer to what I said above. At least I think so -- no one yet has posted something where claims of more than the above are explicit and in the majority.

	▲	toast0 5 days ago \| parent [-]
		> Autopilot on a plane requires a pilot in the cockpit. Does that make it "not auto"? Autopilot in a plane generally maintains heading and altitude. It certainly can do that with or without a pilot in the cockpit, and you hear about incidents from time to time where the pilot is incapacitated and the autopilot keeps the heading and altitude until fuel run out. Keeping heading and altitude is insufficient to operate a plane, of course; Tesla's choice of the word Autopilot was also problematic, because the larger market of drivers doesn't necessarily understand the limitations of aviation autopilot and many people thought the system is more capable than it actually is; an aviation style autopilot wouldn't be much help on the road, maintaining heading in that way isn't actually helpful when roads are not completely straight, maintaining speed is sometimes useful but that's been called cruise control for decades. (Some flight automation systems can do waypoints, and autoland is a thing, but afaik, it's not all put together where you put the whole thing in at once and chill, nor would that be a good idea). > To me, it meant not needing to have your hands on the steering wheel and being able to have a conversation while maintaining some sort of situational awareness, although not necessarily keeping your eyes fully on the road for the more monotonous parts of a journey. I mean, that's sort of what the product is, although there's real safety concerns about ability for humans to context switch and intervene properly. I see how that's supervised self-driving, but not how it's full self-driving. If I paid 90% of your invoice and said paid in full, that doesn't make it paid in full.