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DoesntMatter22 6 days ago

They went from no revenue to the 9th most valuable company in the world under him. No vehicle sales to having the best selling vehicles in the world.

They are still profitable, have very little debt and a ton of money into the bank.

Every company has hits and misses. Bezos started before Musk and still hasn't gotten his rockets into orbit.

tzs 5 days ago | parent | next [-]

> No vehicle sales to having the best selling vehicles in the world

They have the best selling model in the world (their Model Y). But their total sales of all models are way behind many other car companies.

These car companies sell more cars each year than Tesla (ordered by total sales): Toyota, Volkswagen, Hyundai-Kia, GM, Stellantis, Ford, BYD, Honda, Nissan, Suzuki, BMW, Mercedes-Benz, Renault, and Geely.

Toyota and Volkswagen each sell more cars in a year than Tesla has sold over its lifetime, and Hyundai-Kia's annual sales are about the same as Tesla's lifetime sales.

By revenue rather than units these companies sell more per year: Volkswagen, Toyota, Stallantis, GM, Ford, Mercedes-Benz, BMW, Honda, BYD, and SAIC Motor. (Edit: I accidentally left out Hyundai-Kia)

starchild3001 5 days ago | parent | prev [-]

If I had to guess, I’d say the original Tesla founders had a greater influence than Musk. His track record, frankly, is unimpressive. He’s been promising full self-driving “next year” since 2016, yet it’s still nowhere close. Aside from the Model S and X, there hasn’t been a major innovation under his watch. The real groundbreaking work likely came before him. His reign? Far from remarkable. Each year has been a cycle of overpromising (often outright lying) and underdelivering. As for Tesla’s stock? Well, markets can stay irrational far longer than most people can remain solvent.

DoesntMatter22 5 days ago | parent [-]

Tarpenning and Eberhard left Tesla in 2008 and 2007 but somehow they had a greater influence? They contributed no money, nearly tanked the company but somehow were more important.

"His track record is unimpressive"... I can see why you say that, I mean, took Tesla from almost nothing to a trillion dollar company. Started the most prolific rocket and satellite company in history (but hey, it's only rocket science right?), provides internet to places that it never even had the possibility of getting to, and providing untold millions the chance to get on the internet.

Started a company that is giving the paralyzed the ability to use a computer controlling their brain, and is working to restore sight to the blind.

Totally unimpressive. There are so many people who have done these things /s

cma 5 days ago | parent | next [-]

> They contributed no money

That's contradicted here:

> The two co-founders funded the company until early 2004, when Elon Musk led the company's $6.5 million Series A financing

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marc_Tarpenning

DoesntMatter22 5 days ago | parent [-]

Doesn't even say any amount of money that they funded. That could be $30 for all we know

cma 5 days ago | parent [-]

It's public record, on Musk's word, that Eberhard was in the series A too for $75,000:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/quora/2014/12/29/how-much-equit...

Your claim was

> They contributed no money

Where did you get this from?

Tesla also licensed the design from tZero before the series-A I believe. And Eberhard was sort of keeping tZero afloat:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88KHfX_kPIY

singular_atomic 5 days ago | parent | prev [-]

musk glazer detected

DaSHacka 5 days ago | parent [-]

Are you going to address any of their points, are is this the best rebuttal you have?