"Full Self Driving (Supervised)." In other words: you can take your mind off the road as long as you keep your mind on the road. Classic.

Tesla is kind of a joke in the FSD community these days. People working on this problem a lot longer than Musk's folk have been saying for years that their approach is fundamentally ignoring decades of research on the topic. Sounds like Tesla finally got the memo. I mostly feel sorry for their engineers (both the ones who bought the hype and thought they'd discover the secret sauce that a quarter-century-plus of full-time academic research couldn't find and the old salts who knew this was doomed but soldiered on anyway... but only so sorry, since I'm sure the checks kept clearing).

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arijun 6 days ago | parent | next [-]

Until very recently I worked in the FSD community, and I wouldn’t say I viewed it as a joke. I don’t know if I believed they would get to level 5 without any lidar, it’s pretty good for what’s available in the consumer market.

	▲	shadowgovt 5 days ago \| parent [-]
		That's what I mean. Nobody I know thought there'd be a chance of getting to L4 (much less L5) without LIDAR. They doomed the goal from the gate and basically lied to people for years about the technological possibilities to pad their bottom line. It's two steps from selling snake-oil, basically. Not that L4 or L5 are impossible, but people who knew the problem domain looked at how they were approaching it hardware-wise and went "... uhuh."

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FireBeyond 5 days ago | parent | prev [-]

> In other words: you can take your mind off the road as long as you keep your mind on the road.

They literally did this with Summon. "Have your car come to you while dealing with a fussy child" - buried far further down the page in light grey, "pay full attention to the vehicle at all times" (you know, other than your "fussy child").