People way overstate the "dynamics" advantages of EVs

Yes EVs can keep their weight low, but it's a lot more weight to deal with.

Yes EVs have excellent 0-60, but that's just because they have a great launch. Even doing a 5-60 pull removes the EV advantage. Starting from highway speeds? EVs start to look real slow.

There are some good traits to EVs but, outside of launching hard in street car trim, performance is not one of them.

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HPsquared 4 days ago | parent | next [-]

I find highway acceleration is their main strength actually. Going from "just cruising" to max acceleration is basically instant, unlike a gearbox having to go down 2-3 gears (depending on how hard you press the pedal) and hope it chose the right gear, or manually downshifting (block shifts work with a proper manual gearbox but that's a pain the rest of the time; going down 3 gears sequentially on an automatic is usually not a good time).

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rootusrootus 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> People way overstate the "dynamics" advantages of EVs

It is noticeable, though.

> Yes EVs can keep their weight low, but it's a lot more weight to deal with.

Define a lot? It's a few hundred pounds, excepting pickups.

> Starting from highway speeds? EVs start to look real slow.

Maybe a Leaf or a Bolt. But I would be happy to put my Model 3LR or F-150 Lightning up against something like a Camaro SS or Mustang GT from a highway roll -- I'll still win.

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asdff 5 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

That 0-10mph response is way too twitchy in most EVs i've ridden. The old teslas were not like this. I'm not sure what package my friends model 3 is or if it comes down to his lead foot but I feel nauseous in that car. Its a combination of that instant torque and the suspension sort of feeling like one of those play horses on a spring you see in playgrounds.

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sgt101 5 days ago | parent | next [-]

There's something wrong with your friend's model 3. If I stand on my accelerator it goes straight (if set straight) and the suspension (set on sport) is hard.

It's not M5 BMW hard, but it's hard. I guess that if you have a performance variant then maybe it would be.

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asdff 4 days ago | parent [-]

It could just be thats how it is in cars that twitchy. I don't have really any experience with anything so powerful. Fastest car I've owned is only a 7 second 0-60 car.

	▲	rootusrootus 4 days ago \| parent [-]
		No, just skill. Some people are not great at operating the controls and the instant response from an electric motor is exposing their driving style. If it's a Tesla, have them switch to chill mode. Forces them to be smooth.

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rootusrootus 4 days ago | parent | prev [-]

> if it comes down to his lead foot

Yes. Some people are binary drivers, regardless of drivetrain. But a very responsive EV, especially something like a Tesla Performance trim in sport mode or F-150 Lightning in sport mode, with an unskilled driver can definitely make you seasick. Most drivers who can modulate the pedal do just fine, though.

The only real problem with Teslas is that they don't have an option to go without one pedal driving. Some drivers really aren't suited for 1PD, frankly.

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pornel 4 days ago | parent | prev [-]

You won't reach the limits of weight and handling of EVs when driving on public roads in ways that don't risk jail time.

Most people don't take their old Toyota to a race track, so they don't need their Leaf to beat a Lambo either.

The instant 0-30mph is the biggest advantage in day to day driving.