| ▲ | magicalhippo 5 days ago |
| > And that the rental company (AVIS) does not provide an AC adapter Here in Norway, new EVs are no longer allowed to be sold with AC adapters, due to the potential fire hazard. At least that's the reason I got when I purchased my current EV. Perhaps a EU thing, wouldn't surprise me. |
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| ▲ | dreamcompiler 5 days ago | parent | next [-] |
| This surprises me, given that almost every country has safer electric plugs than the US. Heat is a function of current and car chargers limit themselves to less than the current the plug is rated for. "Less than" equals 80% in the US. |
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| ▲ | masklinn 5 days ago | parent | next [-] | | It might be that the average euro is less aware of continuous draw limitations since there’s so much more power normally (compared to US residential power). Could also be that for historical reasons you could have a house wired for 10 or 13 A and not be aware if it. ‘Course you can manage that by having the chargers limit themselves to 8A default (or even always), at 1800W that’s a very slow trickle but it’s something, and even if it does not fully cover your commute it spaces out carger stops or helps condition the battery on cold mornings. | | |
| ▲ | avidiax 4 days ago | parent [-] | | Standard circuits are either 8A or 10A. That's a little more power than a US 15A, or the same as a US 20A. There is often 3 phase power to the home in Europe, however. That allows 415V phase to phase and also 3-phase synchronous motors. | | |
| ▲ | masklinn 4 days ago | parent [-] | | > Standard circuits are either 8A or 10A. Both type E and F plugs are rated for 16, and afaik that’s generally the rating in countries which use them. I’m sure there are others but Switzerland is the only country I know of in Europe were plugs are limited to 10 and you have to hard-wire 16. | | |
| ▲ | merb 4 days ago | parent | next [-] | | Most camping places in France/spain that do have cee or type e/f might limit to 6a/10a. Fyi.
It’s mostly to limit power draw since you pay a flat fee. | |
| ▲ | avidiax 4 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | My mistake extrapolating from the Swiss :) |
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| ▲ | Rebelgecko 4 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | Dunno if it's the case here, but the charger doesn't know if it's plugged into an extension cord that isn't rated for 3kW or whatever EU plugs put out | | |
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| ▲ | philjohn 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Might be - also, in the UK at least where most houses are on a TN-C-S electric supply (earth and neutral are the same conductor) if there's a break on the neutral and you don't have an earthing rod (PEN fault) the car can be at high voltage compared to true earth, and you can get a lethal shock if you touch it. There are roughly 500 of these faults a year across the UK. Level 2 chargers here either need PEN fault protection built in, or you need a correctly sized earthing rod installed. |
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| ▲ | kingstnap 5 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| This seems like the kind of regulation that causes more harm than it saves in anyone's house actually burning down. I did a cursory search and didn't find any EU reports of a house fire caused by a L1 charger. Sure you might burn a house down if you find one that has a plug which isn't correctly installed with loose connectors but the fire risk here wasn't the EV. Its the incorrectly installed wiring. You don't tell people to get rid of their fridges because some people might have forgetten to plug theirs in and therefore they could get food poisoning from spoiled food inside. |
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| ▲ | spicybbq 5 days ago | parent | next [-] | | It could also lead to people buying cheap, potentially defective chargers online instead of getting a more reliable manufacturer-included one. | |
| ▲ | magicalhippo 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I haven't been able to find concrete stories either, though these[1] statistics might be an indication. It shows there's a few EVs per year that lead to a building fire, though sadly nothing further about source. So could be something else like battery. That said there's been a campaign for several years trying to get rid of sockets for high current or permanent installations. I recently replaced both an electric water heater and mini split AC, and in both cases the previous appliance had used a socket and that was not allowed anymore. Could well be they're just being proactive. [1]: https://brannstatistikk.no/search?searchId=6EB5433C-AC28-4F6... | | |
| ▲ | danielheath 4 days ago | parent [-] | | I really like the AU tri-prong system for this - high-current plugs/sockets have a physically larger ground connector. This means you can put a low-current plug (small ground pin) into a high-current socket (large ground slot), but not the other way around. Only downside I've found so far is that you can't use a high-current-rated extension cord to plug a low-current appliance into a low-current socket. | | |
| ▲ | masklinn 4 days ago | parent [-] | | We’re not talking about high current anything, we’re talking about standard mains electricity. | | |
| ▲ | danielheath 4 days ago | parent [-] | | By “high” I mean plugs rated for 240v16A, which is higher than normal Australian sockets (usually 8A). | | |
| ▲ | masklinn 4 days ago | parent [-] | | In most of Europe high current would be 32A, 16A is generally the standard (though I know Switzerland uses 10A and I believe UK plugs are rated for 13). |
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| ▲ | apelapan 4 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | There has been plenty of local news about minor fires caused by EV charging in recent years. Usually neither the house nor the car burn to the ground, so won't make national news. Typical cause seems to be old, worn-out installations or improperly done installations. Perhaps 999/1000 outlets being able to function safely at rated longterm maximum draw (when there is no obviously visible damage) used to be an acceptable ratio. Doing anything close to maximum draw for long periods and unsupervised was less common. With EV-charging becoming more common the old standard is no longer good enough. There is too little margin for error and too high likelihood of a situation where error leads to damage. |
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| ▲ | krzyk 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| It is a Norway thing, I read it some time ago that they forbid chargin using AC adapters. Tesla on the other hand doesn't include AC adapter in newly sold cars (since about a year). |
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| ▲ | throwawaymaths 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| norway is in the EU? did i miss something? |
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| ▲ | NewJazz 5 days ago | parent | prev [-] |
| Norway is not in the EU. |
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