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kevindamm 4 days ago | parent | next [-]

It shouldn't be about hours in a seat, it should be about deliverables met and actions & communication around those that couldn't be met. For knowledge work and creative tasks, at least.

I would really be surprised if Amazon didn't allow their top performers a day or two of WFH per week in pre-pandemic days. Other FAANGs basically had that policy before the pandemic. If they're really saying 5-day RTO for everyone, yeah, there are a lot of people who would legitimately decline those terms.

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charcircuit 4 days ago | parent [-]

This logic fails to account for priorities changing. If priorities change Friday morning it could mean all the work you did that week was worthless. Should one spend their whole weekend working to finish some deliverance or should it be limited by the expected hours? Similarly if someone front loaded 40 hours Monday through Friday and priorities change on Friday or a critical bug comes in people will have to wait until Monday.

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		If priorities are being made after code is written then it won't matter if the code took a day, a week or a month, or whether it was done under the company's florescents or a sunny back patio. Decisions about near-term objectives should be made before work is underway, or interleaved with experiment development and analysis. Your last statement actually supports my point that it shouldn't be about hours served but about objectives met. Admittedly, it is much more difficult to clearly define work expectations when they aren't in terms of hours, and doing so fairly across team members is especially difficult. And things like on-call rotations complicate that even further. But it's also very easy to game a system that is hourly-based and often results in schedules slipping, or worse: some team members doing heroic efforts near deadlines to make up for other team members that think they've done their work because their timesheet said so.
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randycupertino 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I was referring to the article, which specifies Amazon is now requiring 5 days RTO.

> Many firms are tightening RTO, but Amazon stands out. It demands 5 days in-office and ties compliance to promotions and performance reviews. Those who refuse to relocate to "hubs" are considered by Amazon to have voluntarily resigned.

> "We continue to believe that teams produce the best results when they're collaborating and inventing in person, and we've observed that to be true now that we've had most people back in the office each day for some time," the Amazon spokesperson said.

List some companies that allow 4 10 hour days? Other than healthcare I haven't heard many tech companies allowing this.

	▲	estimator7292 4 days ago \| parent [-]
		Startups. Every startup I've seen treats their engineers like the responsible professionals they are. Flat salary, no fixed hours, don't ever have to show up to the office at all unless it's laying hands on a physical product. At current job, the principal engineer rolls in at 1pm, if at all. I have no idea when he leaves because I'm in the office 10 to 4. My best work happens at 12-3 and 6-9 so that's when I work. It's nice.

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xboxnolifes 4 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Only if they can't find a job.