Probably not. But we don't tend to see P=MC where there's any differentiation or barrier to entry, and I do not believe that AI is fully commoditized or will be soon.

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cjbgkagh 16 hours ago | parent [-]

Perhaps my 'marginal cost' should have been taken to be 'near marginal cost' and as such I don't believe it'll be fully commoditized either, just mostly commoditized in that it becomes impossible to extract meaningful monopolistic rents. Similarly I don't believe in perfect market efficiency so nothing would be exactly at marginal cost. At the moment we have investment subsidizing use so often these APIs are available at below marginal cost - the old adage 'we lose money on every sale but make up for it in volume'. I'm not confident that these investors on average will be able to make their money back plus a required rate of return and for many it's probably not the primary point of investing in this industry. If you have a $1B dollars to spare you too can light it on fire...

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mlyle 16 hours ago | parent [-]

I don't believe the APIs are actually under marginal cost. Inference is cheap, but people are using a lot of it.

The problem is, the arguments you're making could be used for almost any industry, including ones that we've seen sustained excess profits.

	▲	cjbgkagh 15 hours ago \| parent [-]
		It depends on how you define sustained and define excess profits. Being an unusually effective and well managed company can certainly yield sustained above average returns but that hardly means that is a meaningful barrier to entry - the question at hand. Ozempic is marked up 200x (20,000%) because they're able to extract monopolistic rents, that's a completely different ballpark of 2x or even 5x markups. In a fully commoditized industry participants yield average ROIs, in a mature market it's industry dependent but I would consider ranges from 10% to 100% above average ROIs to be reasonably normal. It's when things get to 10x to > 100x that I would consider to be able to extract monopolistic rents. I know I'm mixing up profits (ROIs) with markups on COGs with the issue being that companies extracting monopolistic rents tend to obscure the fact with padded expenses and the financial details needed to calculate Total Production Cost per Unit are generally not available.