▲ | pbhjpbhj 9 days ago | |||||||||||||||||||||||||
Prevalence of masked gangs (ostensibly a Gestapo, but without uniform or id) kidnapping people in government buildings without police intervening appears (as an outside observer) to be ~100% higher than under recent USA administrations. Are you saying this was already happening, just as much, under Obama, say? | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||
▲ | AngryData 9 days ago | parent | next [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||
Of course it didn't happen as much, but the fact that we already had active black sites and people getting pulled off the streets and abused at all paved the way towards apathy about its expansion now. If city or state police forces can do such things to random citizens for decades before now, why would we expect federal agencies under the direction of the president and his cabinet to not be able to get away with it too? | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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▲ | coldtea 8 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||
>Are you saying this was already happening, just as much, under Obama, say? Are you saying that only this particular type of government abuse matters, so if prior governments didn't do this particular thing, then they're A-OK no matter whatever else they did? As for your strawman: -- According to Department of Homeland Security (DHS) data from fiscal years 2009 to 2016, more than 3 million individuals were formally removed from the country during the Obama administration. Annually, between 58% and 84% of these removals were so-called "summary removals" carried out through legal procedures such as "expedited removal" and "reinstatement of removal," which do not involve a hearing before an immigration judge. On average, about 74% of removals during this period fell into these categories. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/obama-deportations-court/ -- No police intervened for those 3 million people either (except to deport them summarily). But the guys that took them didn't wear masks (maybe), so that's ok. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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▲ | idiomat9000 9 days ago | parent | prev [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||
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