> You have a very large axe to grind against web components and Lit

Yes, yes I do. Because Web Components are almost 15 years now, and they still struggle with the most basic of things. How's that abandoned roadmap going? https://w3c.github.io/webcomponents-cg/2022.html

> No, there are no custom JavaScript rules. Templates have some rules.

That is "here are regular JS functions. However, you cannot use them as regular JS functions in these specific contexts". Reminds me of certain very specific rules about specific functions in specific contexts in some other framework. Can't put my finger on it.

> I'm not sure what makes that not a function.

I never said it doesn't make it a function.

> But to your main point: Lit is not like React because it's not a framework.

Yeah, React wasn't a framework either, but just a library. Everything about DOM elements that React produces, how you instantiate them, style them, where they work etc. is all defined by the HTML and DOM standards.

But then React grew in the number of features, and can no longer be called a library even though still the only thing it does is output some DOM nodes.

I guess you'll insist on Lit being "just a library" even after it adds a ton of other functionality all other frameworks already have or are moving towards.

> I'm not sure what the actual criticism is

The criticism is usual: Lit is rapidly absorbing all the features from all the other frameworks and becoming a framework itself while many of its developers and proponents can't stop shitting all over other frameworks.

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mariusor 7 days ago | parent | next [-]

As a third party I can't help but notice that the only one doing the "shitting" here, is you.

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troupo 6 days ago | parent [-]

You don't have to take only my word for it https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45118434

	▲	mariusor 6 days ago \| parent [-]
		I'm not sure how those links support your "lit proponents shit on other JavaScript libraries/frameworks", which was my complain about your post, or if that would even warrant as an excuse for you personally being an ass to the lit's maintainer directly.

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mdhb 7 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Take this as some constructive feedback that you really come across as a miserable bastard to everyone reading your comments.

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Ruphin 7 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Web Components is a pretty niche technology and as such it really appeals to some people, and it doesn't appeal to others, and that's okay. You don't have to like it, it isn't meant to be a good fit for everyone. But for some people it might fit really well with their requirements, and they probably have legitimate reasons for that.

If I understand correctly, your criticism is that the people for whom Web Components is a good fit are publicly discussing the reasons why they prefer it over other solutions?

	▲	troupo 7 days ago \| parent [-]
		> pretty niche technology The main problem is that for a "niche technology" it sure infects too many standards, requires an insane amount of new standards and makes supporting things needlessly complicated. A few links here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45114450 There are some good parts in the ~30 standards they require, but instead of just the good parts you get the whole horse, and the cart it's attached to, and the cargo in the cart. > your criticism is that the people for whom Web Components is a good fit are publicly discussing the reasons why they prefer it over other solutions? It's not.

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gitaarik 7 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Ha this guy again, I recognize you too. I also don't understand your obsession with trolling on Lit and Web Components. You keep coming with the same arguments. And always very emotional. I get the feeling that it is something personal that you have against Lit / Web Components. And you're clearly a hater, and haters are gonna hate regardless of whatever happens.

I do wonder, why are you on this crusade? Are you afraid that people are at some point gonna be persuaded by Lit / Web Components, and that you need to be there to prevent that from happening?

	▲	brazukadev 6 days ago \| parent [-]
		By what I understood, I would expect him to use web components a lot even though he dislikes a few things, otherwise that would be really weird and a waste of life time.