| ▲ | lovich 12 hours ago |
| Do you think you’re a productive and valuable employee with marketable skills? If the answer was yes, why do you think we’re in a situation where you need to dedicate that much of your own free time, sans compensation, just to make yourself attractive to companies so you can at best fall back on temporary employment? I do not mean to attack you personally, but your comment is incredibly black pilling and dystopian to me. It’s seems like every year we are going to be asked to do more, get culled if we don’t, and half of the commentary from our community is about how you can avoid the yearly culling by working even harder. |
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| ▲ | JustExAWS 6 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| Who said anything about working harder? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45089377 The company gets a simple deal from me. They put the amount of money in my account they agreed to every month and in return they get 40-45 hours a week from me and all of my experience and skills. They want me to fly out to a customer’s site or sit on a zoom call to close a deal? They got me. They want me to lead a large cloud implementation? No problem. They want a 50+ page management consulting style assessment with pretty diagrams? Say the word. They have a customer with an empty AWS account and they want someone who can do AWS architecture from the “DevOps” [sic] perspective and development? Say the word. What they don’t get from me is burnout, time away from my wife and exercise in the evening, weekends or on call work. They get 40-45 hours of work from me. It doesn’t take that much time to write down a summary of what you accomplished every quarter and keep an updated resume and in my case go on LinkedIn and post a banal “thought leadership” bullshit post once a quarter to keep me on the top of people’s mind if things go sideways at my current employer. I would much rather be in my position where interviewing means some behavioral questions and talking to people than having to grind leetcode and reverse a btree on the whiteboard. |
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| ▲ | lovich 22 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Respectfully, You are not putting in 40--45 hours a week if you are >I’m 51 and I stay interview ready. My resume and my career documents are updated quarterly and I keep my network warm. All of the extra bits of work you have to do outside of the 40-45 to stay "interview ready" count as work, youre just not getting paid. Speak to other professional fields about the requirements they have for getting a job. Even in ones where there is an expectation of continuing education like for doctors, that is usually covered both in time and money by the employers of said doctors, not just something they are expected to moonlight on. The other professions are even more agahst when they hear things like having to go through 10 round interviews or being grilled on the same set of college basics that dont get used in the day job, as a part of every single interview At some point since the dotcom bubble, employers figured out a way to convince software engineers that since a bunch of nerds who were interested in this skillset as a hobby were doing it in their free time, the rest of us should be doing that too |
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| ▲ | Daishiman 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > If the answer was yes, why do you think we’re in a situation where you need to dedicate that much of your own free time, sans compensation, just to make yourself attractive to companies so you can at best fall back on temporary employment? Do you think good products just sell themselves? Do you think marketing departments exist because companies love to waste money? There's your answer. |
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| ▲ | danaris 7 hours ago | parent [-] | | Do you understand that what you're saying is that in order to be hired, you not only need all the skills needed to do the job, but also all the skills of a full-fledged marketing department, regardless of whether the job requires any of that? Some of us think that's top-shelf bullshit. | | |
| ▲ | Daishiman 7 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Yes. Because knowing the job and showing people you know the job are two complementary skillsets. Spends some time working with technically-illiterate managers and clients and you'll see. Don't do it and you'll be left hanging wondering why people can't see your brilliance and competence. I'm sorry you don't live in the world you'd like to live in but that's life. Been at this game for 25 years and it has never been different. | |
| ▲ | JustExAWS 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Look up the concept of “luck surface area”. https://modelthinkers.com/mental-model/surface-area-of-luck It’s about doing the work and telling people you do the work. It was never my intention to land in BigTech at 46. I was actively opposed to it because I didn’t want to move from my big house in the burbs and we were fine. I had spent the last seven years at startups leading projects and “transformations”, learning AWS and updating my LinkedIn profile. AWS reached out to me in 2020 (as has GCP since I left but I rather get an anal probe with a cactus than go to BigTech again and I’m damn sure not going into an office) and I said why not interview? While I was there, I was building a network with coworkers and clients, learning how strategic consulting works on the highest level, contributing to an official very popular open source “AWS Solution” in its niche. Releasing my own open source solutions in their official repository, did a couple of blog post that are still on their website, etc. When Amazon started Amazoning, I waited for my severance offer and had multiple job offers within two weeks with a $40k+ severance in the bank just by reaching out to my industry contacts I had made. It may be bullshit. I might think gravity is bullshit. But that doesn’t mean I’m going to jump off of a 25 story building out of defiance. I play the game because I have an addiction to food and shelter. |
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| ▲ | sfn42 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| How are employers supposed to know you're productive and valuable if you won't even maintain a decent resume? Honestly you come off as whiny and entitled, everyone has to present themselves through a CV. If you want to stand out you need to put some work into it. I work as a consultant/contractor, so I am actively encouraged to polish my resume during work hours. You could look into the same if you also want to be paid to polish your resume. I don't see why other kinds of employers would want you to work on it, the only thing you could use it for would be to leave them. |
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| ▲ | lovich 18 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | Maintaining a resume is burying the lede. Being "interview ready" in software means maintaining a separate set of skills that are rarely used in the day to day. When companies are asking for people to reverse red black trees and then turn around and expect their employees to hook up wordpress sites, or build generic REST based CRUD apps, they are implicitly putting the burden of training on the employees. I posit that the software field is one of the worst fields when it comes to this | |
| ▲ | JustExAWS 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | While I have never been encouraged to work on my resume on the job, I have been paid to post to the company’s blog and various “thought leadership” posts to LinkedIn and at a previous company open source work. While it was marketing for them, it also helped build my visibility |
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