| ▲ | mike_hearn 2 days ago |
| They didn't cited papers directly even before the web. It's not a bounce or engagement issue. Journalists don't make it easy for you to access primary sources because of a mentality and culture issue. They see themselves as gatekeepers of information and convince themselves that readers can't handle the raw material. From their perspective, making it easy to read primary sources is pure downside: • Most readers don't care/have time. • Of the tiny number who do, the chances of them finding a mistake in your reporting or in the primary source is high. • It makes it easier to mis-represent the source to bolster the story. Eliminating links to sources is pure win: people care a lot about mistakes but not about finding them, so raising the bar for the few who do is ideal. |
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| ▲ | gnz11 2 days ago | parent | next [-] |
| That’s not how it works at large news orgs. Journalists will enter their articles in a CMS. From there it will get put into a workflow and seen by one or several editors who will edit things for clarity, grammar, style, etc. Links will get added at some point by an editor or automated system. There is no cabal of journalists scheming to keep links out of articles because “culture”. |
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| ▲ | molf 2 days ago | parent | next [-] | | If there were a culture of always including the original source, or journalists massively advocating to include the original source, then surely the CMS would cater to it. I think it's safe to draw the conclusion that most journalists don't care about it. | | |
| ▲ | gnz11 2 days ago | parent [-] | | There’s a lot of rightly deserved criticism of the media but the OP describing journalists as conspiring to keep links out in the fear of being fact checked by readers is simply false and indicative of not having any experience at a large news organization. | | |
| ▲ | dboreham 2 days ago | parent [-] | | But there has to be some reason for original source links never appearing in journalist articles. | | |
| ▲ | tallanvor 2 days ago | parent | next [-] | | It's not historically done. Printed newspapers obviously didn't have links and neither did televised news. Even when the news media started publishing online, it's not like the courts were quick to post the decisions online. And there's also the idea that you should be able to at least somewhat trust the people reporting the news so they don't have to provide all of their references. --You can certainly argue that not all reporters can or should be trusted anymore, but convincing all journalists to change how they work because of bad ones is always going to be hard. | | |
| ▲ | TheNewsIsHere 2 days ago | parent [-] | | There is also the added pressure that some organizations quietly pile on editors to keep people from clicking out to third parties at all, where their attention may wander away. Unless of course that third party is an ad destination. Reputable news organizations are more robust against such pressures, but plenty of people get their news from (in some cases self-described) entertainment sites masquerading as news sites. |
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| ▲ | supernova87a a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | Is it because journalists think of their special talent as talking to people to get information (which is a scarce and priviliged resource), versus reading and summarizing things that we all have access to? So they rarely are forced to do anything but state the name of who they interviewed, and that's it. And puts them in the habit of not acknowledging what they read, as a source? |
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| ▲ | mike_hearn 20 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | They certainly can put links in stories and frequently do, just not to primary sources. |
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| ▲ | _heimdall 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| It seems more malicious or intentional than only trying to gate keep. More often then not when I dig deeper into a news article referencing a scientific paper or study, the details they pull out are very much out of context and don't tell the same story as the research. I have to assume the journalist writing such an article knows that they are misrepresenting the research to make a broader point they want to make. |
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| ▲ | skylurk 2 days ago | parent | prev [-] |
| What distinguishes journalists from storytellers? |
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| ▲ | rurban a day ago | parent [-] | | Journalists have an agenda. And they are not independent. |
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