| ▲ | sylens 2 days ago |
| I think ultimately this is a good decision. The web has flourished in part because Google has supported Chrome so well over the years since they are incentivized to do so. You don't have to use Chrome (I don't) to benefit from this second order effect. |
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| ▲ | bogwog 2 days ago | parent | next [-] |
| What do you define as "flourished"? Chrome won in part because it was better than Internet Explorer, but ironically, the internet was better back when IE had majority market share. Today, 99% of internet traffic goes to a handful of sites/apps, and the vast majority of the ad revenue on the internet goes to a handful ad companies. The internet is a SEO spam shit hole crafted in service of Google's easily gamed ranking algorithms, and designed with the sole purpose of serving ads. Google effectively owns the internet, and this ruling is a green light for them to take even more. I wouldn't be surprised if they stop releasing Chrome sources and fully ban ad blockers now. The court already ruled that the government can't touch them, even when they've been found to have broken the law. |
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| ▲ | lunarboy 2 days ago | parent | next [-] | | Internet was better via what metric? Your rose tinted nostalgia bar? And what's stopping anyone from making a better non-gameable search index that's driven by purely charitable intentions? | | |
| ▲ | wraptile 2 days ago | parent [-] | | > And what's stopping anyone from making a better non-gameable search index The party that was found _guilty_ in this lawsuit? | | |
| ▲ | shadowgovt 2 days ago | parent [-] | | I don't think so. Remove Google from the story and search is still a problem involving massive amounts of storage, massive amounts of fast compute, and a clever way to index results. The only part of that story Google impacts is that their clever way to index results is by mining traffic on their site and the larger web to decide based on user behavior whether their search query was satisfied. Since users can't spend active time on two sites at once, Google consumes a finite resource there. But do we believe Google's behavior tracking really is the final, best form that indexing can possibly take? |
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| ▲ | bitpush 2 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | > Google effectively owns the internet What are you even saying? ChatGPT - a product that was launched in 2021 - is eating up internet search game. People have switched to that in throves, and Google can do nothing. You're mistakenly assuming that Google has a lot of power, when in fact, they had none. People were using it because it was the superior product at the time. And now there's a better product, and people have switched to it. Dont blame Google for Bing (and ddg's) shitty products. | | |
| ▲ | drnick1 2 days ago | parent | next [-] | | Google is still a major cloud provider, owns and reads most people's emails, spies on people through billions of Android devices, surveils people with through maps on phones and cars, is an ISP in some regions, and more. So yes, Google effectively owns much of the Internet at least outside of China/Russia and some other countries that have created alternatives and foisted them onto their populations by banning Google. The alternatives are of course state-controlled and just as evil as Google. | |
| ▲ | bogwog 2 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | > What are you even saying? ChatGPT - a product that was launched in 2021 - is eating up internet search game. People have switched to that in throves, and Google can do nothing. If ChatGPT really is stealing significant market share from Google, that's EVEN MORE of a reason to break up Google's monopoly. It's further proof that they are a monopoly, because one of the smoking guns of a monopoly is inability to innovate. Why should the market be held back by allowing Google to stay in the game when they're clearly not competitive? Their anti competitive behavior is preventing other, more innovative companies from being created. > You're mistakenly assuming that Google has a lot of power, when in fact, they had none. People were using it because it was the superior product at the time. I can't tell if this is a troll or not. I'm going to reply anyways, even though it probably is. Google had, and currently has, all the power. The only 'lever' they don't have is control over internet access (although they do offer ISP services in some regions). I don't know what you mean by saying otherwise? By owning Search, Chrome, Android, and their ad network they have closed loop. Building a good search engine requires data, Search/Chrome/Android provide that data, and Chrome/Android + their illegal search deals funnel users into Search, which provides more data. That's why even this shitty half-assed remedy is requiring them to share some search data with rivals. |
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| ▲ | al_borland 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Everywhere I look people are complaining about how awful the internet is now. That is largely due to Google influence and dominance over the past 15 years. People see ads as the only way to monetize a product, attention is the currency of the internet, and all original utility from many sites has been stripped away to prioritize addiction and attention. Since these things are all that matters, bots and AI generated content have taken over, and who cares, as long as it keeps people glued to the screen. This is Google's internet. |
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| ▲ | Jensson 2 days ago | parent [-] | | All other corporations have tried to funnel users to app stores away from websites, their internet is just an app store without any internet. I take Googles internet over Microsofts or Apples any day. Google made chrome to avoid such a thing, without chrome its likely the internet as a set of websites humans visit would be all but dead today. It is already a marginal part of traffic, 90% of mobile time is spent on apps and not browsers, but it would be much less if there were no good browser competition to Apple and Microsoft. | | |
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| ▲ | pentakkusu 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I woudn't say the current state of the interweb is in a flourished state at all. |
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| ▲ | chneu 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Google has systematically shittified the internet with Chrome by pushing bunk standards that other browsers are forced to adopt. Just recently they got fed up with ad-blockers so what do they do? Yeah. Then what just happened with android apps? yeah. Google is not good for the internet. Anyone saying this is just sucking google's dick and siding with a major corporation. Also fuck AMP. |
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| ▲ | wraptile 2 days ago | parent | next [-] | | AMP was such a colossal failure I can't believe people are allowing Google to live it down. | | |
| ▲ | arccy 2 days ago | parent [-] | | It was very good at delivering content with a lot less user visible impact of various trackers. In that goal it was a success. |
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| ▲ | tfsh 2 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | > Google has systematically shittified the internet with Chrome by pushing bunk standards that other browsers are forced to adopt.
Out of interest, what standards? | | |
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| ▲ | makeitdouble 2 days ago | parent | prev [-] |
| In your opinion what would have happened if Google didn't have Chrome and just backed independent browsers to break the IE stronghold? |
