Yes, but ICE is not deporting, denaturalizing, or imprisoning US citizens for their political opinions, and I would have very little to no fear about going to Washington DC right now, standing up on a podium, and yelling that Trump sucks while there are 100 National Guardsmen across the street from me.

This is very different from what things are like in places like Russia.

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treyd 9 days ago | parent | next [-]

See Mahmoud Khalil's case. They're trying to and would continue to have done so if they weren't blocked. What is there stopping them from changing the rules and doing it again?

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chasd00 8 days ago | parent | next [-]

> See Mahmoud Khalil's case

they fact that you know about this case at all and how much it has been in the news and the outrage and protest against the executive branch speaks volumes to the differences between the US and real authoritarian regimes.

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hax0ron3 9 days ago | parent | prev [-]

I disagree with what has been done in the Mahmoud Khalil matter. But it is a far distance between that on the one hand and what happens in places like Russia on the other.

I'm not trying to minimize the dangers of Trump. My point is that there is a huge difference in the level of authoritarianism between today's US and what I consider to be actual authoritarian countries. Today's US is one of the freest countries on the entire planet. We should keep it that way. I don't see what good it does to act as if today's US is anywhere close to actual authoritarian countries.

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treyd 9 days ago | parent | next [-]

Have you decided what your personal red line is after which you would conclude that we've entered an authoritarian regime? Have we crossed the neofascist Rubicon yet? [1]

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YFdwfNh5vs

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krapp 9 days ago | parent | prev [-]

The distance is closing, it's already closer than many Americans would have considered possible. How close does it need to get before we should be concerned?

	▲	coldtea 9 days ago \| parent \| next [-]
		Blacks were once slaves. Women couldn't vote. Japanese-Americans were put in camps. Worker strikes were met with guards killing people. Rousevelt had amassed all kinds of extra executive powers and control of all aspects of government that would seem over the top excessive before him. Is today really "closer than many Americans would have considered possible"?
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		Is it really worse than McCarthyism era? I feel that time was much worse than currently.
	▲	hax0ron3 9 days ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		I'm already somewhat concerned. I've been concerned since long before Trump. And Trump has added some new concerns. For example, with that strike against the Venezualan boat today. But that doesn't mean that I believe that we're anywhere actually close to it. Those are two separate questions. People really should try to understand that if someone says "I think that the US is vastly freer than Russia", it does not mean "I think that there is no reason for concern" or "I think that the US is going in a good direction".

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slightwinder 9 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Yes, but ICE is not deporting, denaturalizing, or imprisoning US citizens for their political opinions.

Actually, they do. If you have the wrong color, they take any reason as a pretext for action.

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NoGravitas 8 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Yes, but ICE is not deporting, denaturalizing, or imprisoning US citizens for their political opinions

Not yet? Currently, they are only imprisoning and deporting legal permanent residents and people on student visas for their political opinions. But denaturalization is clearly on the table.

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Sohcahtoa82 7 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Yes, but ICE is not deporting, denaturalizing, or imprisoning US citizens for their political opinions

True, but ICE is imprisoning and deporting US citizens simply for being an immigrant with the wrong skin color.

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antonvs 8 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I'm happy for you as a privileged US citizen, enjoying your privilege as someone who's at least currently on the right side of the line, but anyone who's a legal immigrant doesn't feel anywhere near the same degree of security that you do.

The administration recently announced that it will review the visas of 55 million immigrants, and factors like political opinion are on the table when it comes to their choice of who to go after.

"First They Came"[1] was written to try to wake up people like you, whose privilege blinded them to the significance of the events around them. You need to start paying attention before you lose the country you thought you knew.

[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_They_Came

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ElevenLathe 8 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Go do it then. See if you can get a permit in DC right now to have a rally and shout that Trump sucks. If you can, try actually doing it. You will not be doing it for very long until some excuse is made to stop you and punish you.

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Capricorn2481 9 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It's exactly these comments the OP is talking about. This is what they are trying to do, what they said they would do, and it's the kind of authoritarian shit that Trump has publicly praised and envied Putin for.

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exe34 9 days ago | parent | prev [-]

yet.

right now they are "deporting" (without due process it's kidnapping/trafficking) in order of skin colour. they will work their way down towards you.