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palata a day ago

Many things need to be understood to be appreciated.

For instance music: we tend to like what we know, and what we know is what we hear on the radio/everywhere we go. When people tell me they don't like jazz, I always find a jazz song they like. If they say they don't like rap music, I can always find one they like. Why? Maybe because it's closer to what they already understand (making it more accessible), or maybe it has been very popular and so they've already heard it countless times (in night clubs, on the radio, ...). Most people who dislike a whole music genre generally don't really understand it and haven't put any effort into it.

You don't like churches? Go to Notre-Dame in Paris, and have someone explain to you its architecture. How they built it, how you can date the parts of the church just from its architecture.

Don't get me wrong: it's possible to dislike stuff, and it's alright. But it's worth trying to understand before disliking.

layer8 a day ago | parent | next [-]

Counterpoint, understanding alone isn't enough either if you don't have an affinity.

There's a few classical and jazz pieces that I like, but that doesn’t mean that I like classical music and/or jazz, even though I do get why other people do.

Same for your church architecture example. I can appreciate it on an intellectual level, but in the end I still find it mostly boring and not my kind of aesthetics.

palata a day ago | parent [-]

> Counterpoint, understanding alone isn't enough either if you don't have an affinity.

It's not a counterpoint, as I never said that understanding something meant that you would like it.

I just said that it's worth trying to understand before concluding that we dislike something.

spauldo a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I don't believe that most people's dislike of churches stem from the architecture.

palata a day ago | parent | next [-]

My point there being that it may be possible to find interesting parts in things we dislike.

carlosjobim a day ago | parent | prev [-]

Of course it is mainly from the architecture. When a person who is mentally base sees something which is impressive and beautiful, they are filled with resentment and hate. Even more if it was constructed by people from the past which he thinks he is supposed to be much superior to.

spauldo 17 hours ago | parent | next [-]

You must be in a very different part of the world than I am. One with grand cathedrals, perhaps. Where I'm from, a church is usually a big box with a brick facade, glass doors, paint over drywall interiors, and fake wood trim. Outside of the decorations, they're much like office buildings. They generally have a small steeple somewhere that holds no bell and only serves to identify the building as a church, because otherwise you wouldn't be able to tell.

There isn't anything to hate about the architecture that wouldn't also apply to most public buildings built in the last half century.

walthamstow 10 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I live in a city with many old beautiful churches and I can safely say the architecture is the only thing I like about them.

carlosjobim 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Everywhere in the world, it's normal for churches and temples to be either the oldest, the largest, or the most beautiful buildings. Or all of those. But of course not always.

palata 5 hours ago | parent [-]

It's just that in some countries, the oldest buildings are not particularly old :-).

rsynnott 18 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Absolutely deranged point of view.

Seriously, if you actually _believe_ this, consider examining it carefully. It is self-serving nonsense.

carlosjobim 17 hours ago | parent [-]

Deranged is of course to hate and resent something because it is beautiful or because it is impressive. Or someone.

fluoridation 14 hours ago | parent | next [-]

There's a difference between hating because it's beautiful, and hating it despite it being beautiful.

You are complaining about imaginary people.

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arp242 a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

"I don't like X" is of course not an absolute statement (and neither is "I like X", for that matter). I don't like Hip-Hop. Of course there is some hip-hop that I think is alright, but by and large, "I don't like Hip-Hop" is accurate.

Different people are different, and different things resonate with different people. I find snobbery highly obnoxious, but to be honest my opinion of this kind of dismissal of different people liking different things with a fairly condescending "you have simply not understood it" is not much better.

palata a day ago | parent [-]

As I said, it's fine to dislike something. I was just saying that it's worth trying to understand first: you may still dislike something that you understand of course.

> but to be honest my opinion of this kind of dismissal of different people liking different things with a fairly condescending "you have simply not understood it" is not much better.

You haven't put too much effort into trying to understand my opinion, have you? :-)

loloquwowndueo a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I like churches, I just don’t like going to church :)

falcor84 a day ago | parent | next [-]

Same here. Churches often have incredible architecture, art and acoustics. I really enjoy visiting them when there is no religious service. And I've been to some fabulous organ concerts at churches.

palata a day ago | parent [-]

Same here :-).

yread a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I wanted to say the exact opposite meaning the same. Going to a church or cathedral to see it, cool down or warm up is nice but I dislike the church of scientology, england and probably bunch of other churches

1c2adbc4 a day ago | parent | prev [-]

Feel the same about hospitals

amelius a day ago | parent [-]

If you don't like to go to hospitals, then about the only option is to like your particular disorders.

This may also be the only option for disorders for which there is no treatment, e.g. tinnitus.

falcor84 a day ago | parent [-]

There's also the option of waiting until your untreated disorder puts you in a coma, and then you can enjoy hospital services without being conscious of your surroundings.

hshdhdhj4444 a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Liking certain songs within a genre doesn’t mean one enjoys the genre generally.

Usually the songs anyone can enjoy tend to be the ones that are the most palatable and are not as genre specific.

To some degree it’s a matter of semantics but to say someone enjoys a genre of music they should be able to enjoy the more esoteric songs in the genre.

hiccuphippo a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I've been trying to acquire a taste for Free Jazz a few times over the years and haven't been very successful.

palata 11 hours ago | parent [-]

Yep, Free Jazz does that :-). And it's okay not to like it. But I find it great that you tried!

Raztuf a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

>Most people who dislike a whole music genre generally don't really understand it and haven't put any effort into it.

I still can't get my family to get into noise and pigfuck, any advice ?

palata a day ago | parent [-]

I didn't say that it's impossible to dislike something you understand, though.

strken 20 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I tell people I don't like country because I grew up in the country, and I'm sick of listening to relatable things like one lane roads and escaping cows one moment, then switching to bible-thumping alcoholism when the song changes.

Listening to any given country song might be lovely. Listening to the genre is painful. Sometimes the aggregate effect of a genre ruins the enjoyment of any given song.

westmeal 10 hours ago | parent [-]

Beer pick up truggs girls love my country gobless

carlosjobim a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Adding to this: Some classical music sucks!

It took me longer than it should have to start getting into classical music, because when I heard a piece that sucked I just assumed I didn't understand it and that classical music was too complicated. No, it's just that a lot of classical music sucks and is annoying to listen to. But a lot of it is fantastic.

ranger207 a day ago | parent [-]

Yeah I've been figuring that out myself recently. Turns out that I don't really like Baroque or Classical music, but I do like Romantic music. It was just a factor of finding that "classical" has more than one genre in it

tomjen3 a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I would have said no on Rap before Hamilton. I would like to know your goto for Jazz.

xenobeb 21 hours ago | parent | next [-]

No rap before Hamilton is under exposure to NYC boom bap. Lin-Manuel Miranda is quite good but I am sure he wouldn't put himself on the level of Big Pun or Nas.

Miles Davis - Kind of Blue is the best selling jazz album of all time but it is still a specific sub genre of cool jazz that might put you to sleep.

Herbie Hancock - Head Hunters I think is the second best seller. I really don't know if I have ever read someone say Head Hunters sucks. It probably isn't what you expect in the same the way Hamilton sounded different to you.

I would go with those two and if you don't like either I wouldn't bother looking for more.

taffronaut 13 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Most posts here seem to be offering easy on-ramp listening for jazz, but they seem at odds with the spirit of the original post. For jazz that is off-putting at first listening but rewards deeper study, consider Thelonious Monk (Blue Note sessions 1 & 2) or if you are really up for it, Coltrane's Interstellar Space.

palata 11 hours ago | parent [-]

I think sometimes it's just a matter of finding an incentive. Isn't it typical for a teenager to start listening to the music of their boyfriend/girlfriend? Or of their group of friends.

My point is: I find that all the suggestions here are great! They may work differently for different people!

mordechai9000 a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Not OP and not a jazz expert, just throwing out a personal favorite. I think it is very approachable without sacrificing anything, and it has a recognizable melody (which might help or hinder the jazz appreciation cause):

My Favorite Things by Coltrane.

But I do know people who dislike jazz because of the unfamiliar rhythms and (wildly flexible) musical conventions, and that can be hard to overcome.

palata a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Everyone is different of course, but if I had to try like this: do you know "Postmodern Jukebox"? :-)

sojournerc 20 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Brad Mehldau for a great piano centric trio

mathiaspoint a day ago | parent | prev [-]

You can go too far the other way. I only stopped liking jazz once I understood it.