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| ▲ | A_D_E_P_T 3 days ago | parent [-] | | You don't need to understand the human mind on a mechanistic level. You only need to examine how the whole organism learns, acts, and reacts to stimulus and situation. Even something as simple as catching a ball is basically predictive. You predict where the ball will be along its arc when it reaches a point in space where you can catch it. Then, strictly informed by that prediction, you solve a problem of motion through space -- and some very simple-seeming problems of motion through space can't be cracked in a general case without a very powerful supercomputer -- to physically catch the ball. That's a very simple example. The major component of what we call intelligence is purely predictive. Of course Bayesian inference also works the same way, etc. | | |
| ▲ | Jensson 3 days ago | parent | next [-] | | > The major component of what we call intelligence is purely predictive Then what is creativity? Creativity is not predictive and is the most important part of human intelligence, since it isn't about figuring out if a situation leads to good things, its about finding a new kind of situation that leads to good things. Don't say "we do totally random things and try to predict those outcomes", there is nothing supporting that since we have tried that with computers and that doesn't result in creativity anything like humans, we don't know how human creativity works. | | |
| ▲ | A_D_E_P_T 2 days ago | parent [-] | | So we've got a temporal-spatial sense, a general predictive function, the capacity for abstraction, independent volition, and a sense of relational context. Creativity shows up when an agent uses that predictive machinery not only to forecast immediate sensory consequences, but to (a) simulate many alternative internal models or actions (counterfactuals), usually in a self-directed way with an end or goal in mind, (b) predict how those alternatives will be interpreted by other agents or by itself in the future, and (c) select from those alternatives according to an intrinsic/extrinsic valuation that rewards novelty, surprise, utility, or aesthetic pleasure. In other words it's a form of guided meta-prediction. From a very different perspective, the TRIZ guys have tried to figure out creativity, with results that are at least interesting. Ultimately, what they have to teach is that non-artistic creativity also takes certain characteristic forms. |
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| ▲ | devmor 3 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | > The major component of what we call intelligence is purely predictive. Making more unfounded, nonsensical claims does not reinforce your first unfounded, nonsensical claim. I'm sure statisticians would love it if the human mind were an inference machine, but that doesn't make it one. Your point of view on this is faith-based. | | |
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