I don't know. I still find Vaadin's pricing way over what I could spend on a startup project. But it could just be me.

edit: People also forget that Eclipse RAP still exists and although it's probably not that "modern", it works.

The vast majority of people don't pay anything for Vaadin as it's Apache 2 licensed. Out of curiosity: Why do you feel you have to spend on it – is it some part of the tooling or are the support alternatives the reason? (I work for the company behind Vaadin, thus honestly curious).

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p2detar a day ago | parent [-]

AFAIR, it was the "Grid Pro" and "Dashboard" features that were needed, but they were out of budget for our infant phase of the product and we went with React. It was a long time ago anyway, I last worked with Vaadin 7. I will however say, that I really enjoyed working with it at that time.

	▲	sebak82 a day ago \| parent [-]
		If you used React back then, what do you miss from the Vaadin world and what was easier in React in comparison ? Have you tried one of the latest versions? Disclaimer: I work for Vaadin.

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winrid a day ago | parent | prev [-]

I can't imagine seriously showing RAP to a CEO and saying we're using that.

I don't pay for Vaadin, you don't need to unless you want the extra components, and even if you do it's affordable, much cheaper than building the same system in React.