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| ▲ | MobiusHorizons 7 days ago | parent [-] | | It was not at all obvious to people that haven’t heard of tuist (presumably the intended audience of your post) that tuist is a product. I thought it was a typo or even possibly an insult (same form as racist, sexist, ableist, ageist, etc) | | |
| ▲ | wahnfrieden 7 days ago | parent | next [-] | | Glad we've cleared it up | |
| ▲ | johnisgood 7 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | > I thought it was a typo or even possibly an insult (same form as racist, sexist, ableist, ageist, etc) That is on you, though. | | |
| ▲ | adastra22 7 days ago | parent | next [-] | | Another non-iOS developer here. It was absolutely not clear what you meant with a single word reply, and one that honestly looked like a typo or some kind of insult (short + -ist) I didn’t get. | | |
| ▲ | johnisgood 7 days ago | parent [-] | | What I meant is that people who are non-ableist, non-racist, etc. do not have racism et al. popped up in their mind. Why does everything have to do with those things in people's minds? It is tiring, and I am starting to believe they are the racists. It never crossed my mind based on the name of a project. It is ridiculous. | | |
| ▲ | nxrabl 7 days ago | parent [-] | | If you’re not familiar with the experience of browsing the internet and then suddenly having deeply-held parts of your identity deemed undeserving of respect, it’s the kind of thing that the mind naturally develops habits to avoid, in much the same way that you might start to walk differently through a city after getting mugged. It is indeed tiring for everyone, but the solution is not to blame people for doing what they feel like they need to do to protect themselves. | | |
| ▲ | johnisgood 7 days ago | parent [-] | | Of course I do, but we are talking about a project's name. | | |
| ▲ | MobiusHorizons 7 days ago | parent [-] | | That’s the whole point. If you know we are talking about a project name (for instance by using the word in a sentence) then it makes perfect sense, but with no context one is left to try to use etymology like one might do with any unknown word. | | |
| ▲ | johnisgood 6 days ago | parent [-] | | So you admit to it being an unknown word. I did not, for a second, think, that an unknown word was intended to be racist, ableist, etc. Why would you? Also parent's reply: > If you’re not familiar with the experience of browsing the internet and then suddenly having deeply-held parts of your identity deemed undeserving of respect [...] the solution is not to blame people for doing what they feel like they need to do to protect themselves. It was a comment under a submission, FWIW. Seriously though, just stop assuming everything is about race and friends. It is what is tiring. Ask first before making assumptions if it really is not a slur you know of, but an UNKNOWN WORD. If he were to say n***e* then yeah, have at it. That cannot be misunderstood. And by my reply "That is on you" is down-voted for fuck-all, because people does not realize that the people preoccupied with racism are the ones first to believe it was a racist slur. I did not think it was a racist slur, because 1) it was an unknown word, 2) I am not preoccupied with such stuff, my mind is not filled with racism and such. Thus, the people who say "racist!" usually turn out to be the racists. I have seen it everywhere. Now I saw it on HN, too, which is just splendid. A single search would have sufficed. I do not deny that the person saying the word could have clarified what it is, but defaulting to believing it has to do with racism is one of the reasons for why we have racism. It did not cross my mind. Why did it cross yours, especially if you knew nothing but the unknown word? I do not see race. Am I the racist one or the people thinking everything is about racism? Do not worry, I see race when it comes to a groups of people, except in that case it does not matter much, a group of people may always be trouble, regardless of race, so no, I did not abandon my self-preservation. There is a lot to unpack here, my bad. |
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| ▲ | MobiusHorizons 7 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | I completely agree with you that if I had wanted to I could have put in the effort to decipher the meaning of the post. However, the post left me with absolutely no desire to decipher it's meaning, so I did not. If instead the author had written simply "I use tuist for that" the meaning would have been immediately clear for someone like me, and I would have been much more likely to look up the product. I don't mean to imply that there is some sort of "should" to this. The author is not required to want their meaning to be understood, even though I'm not really sure what other purpose they would have for posting. But I do think that this class of miscommunication is both common and reasonably avoidable by building up a bit of a mental model of the intended audience. I was trying to provide anecdotal evidence to build up that mental model. | | |
| ▲ | johnisgood 7 days ago | parent [-] | | We are talking about a project's name. Why did racism (and friends) came up in your mind, or an insult? Why is this the default norm, now? People are free to down-vote me, but they cannot deny there is no truth to what I am saying. I would have never thought that a project's name was intended to be racist or cause any sort of harm. Why did you? | | |
| ▲ | MobiusHorizons 7 days ago | parent | next [-] | | > We are talking about a project's name. Why did racism (and friends) came up in your mind, or an insult? Please don’t take what I said as any kind of allegation that you were being insulting. Those associations were from trying to parse the word as English, which resulted in some unknown word from the family of words relating to prejudice presumably relating to textual user interfaces vs graphical. Context would have made it clear that it was a project name, in which case the word doesn’t need to be parsed. | | | |
| ▲ | rafram 7 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | Because it was a single word ending in -ist, the common English suffix for a prejudice or preference? There was no context indicating that it was the name of a project. | | |
| ▲ | johnisgood 7 days ago | parent [-] | | And you resort to either it being an insult or something about ableist, racism, etc.? That was not something I thought of until I got reminded. |
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