| ▲ | lugao 6 days ago |
| It's funny because you can't measure borders due to the coastline paradox. |
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| ▲ | falcor84 6 days ago | parent | next [-] |
| I'm not aware of any 2 countries having their border be a natural coastline |
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| ▲ | retsibsi 5 days ago | parent [-] | | Same principle applies to rivers, though, and there are lots of river borders. | | |
| ▲ | falcor84 5 days ago | parent [-] | | It isn't the same principle. Firstly, coastlines are more jagged because they are hit by waves perpendicularly, while rivers are shaped by water flowing along the banks, smoothing them. Secondly, the borders are typically defined by either the thalweg (greatest depth) or median line, either being smoother lines than the banks. Thirdly, river borders are then in practice defined by measuring the coordinates of particular sample points along the idealized line and then using straight lines or simple mathematical curves to connect these, forming a simple non-fractal boundary. | | |
| ▲ | ndileas 5 days ago | parent [-] | | You could say the exact same set of objections to shoreline paradox. | | |
| ▲ | Jensson 5 days ago | parent | next [-] | | But most borders are not defined as "on the shoreline", they are defined using something reliable. | | |
| ▲ | ndileas 5 days ago | parent [-] | | Exactly. The coastline paradox is a mathematical curiousity, not a practical objection to measuring things. Coastlines are not infinite length in practice. You define a system of measurement then a length in that system |
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| ▲ | falcor84 5 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | What? Neither of those three applies to a shoreline. | | |
| ▲ | ndileas 5 days ago | parent [-] | | Physical shorelines instantiations of a true fractal are always limited. I'd go so far as to say that there is no such real object in the world. | | |
| ▲ | falcor84 5 days ago | parent [-] | | I think I'm in agreement with you, but not sure if I'm agreeing that the are no fractals in the world, or that there are no shorelines. Anyway, true fractal shorelines definitely never put sugar on their porridge. |
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| ▲ | wolvesechoes 6 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Doesn't matter in this context. |
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| ▲ | jcattle 6 days ago | parent | prev [-] |
| Eh. If you care about relative measurements it doesn't matter much. Pick a sensible resolution, stick with it, you got yourself a ranking. |
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| ▲ | heavenlyblue 5 days ago | parent [-] | | It also makes sense to pick a resolution because coastline changes on an hourly basis (and minute-basis, for rivers during rainfall), so that these differences would not massively affect the measurement every single second |
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