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michaelt 6 days ago

> That said, it's unlikely that the entity currently managing .io (a hedge fund if I'm not mistaken) has the legal muscle to force ICANN to keep it in the list

ICANN periodically lets anyone with $1 million create random new generic TLDs like .top and .win and .google and .hiv and .amazon and .zip - it's pretty clear there aren't any real rules or standards for TLDs apart from having money.

Why should ICANN break things for .io and its users, when they could instead keep things working, and extract $1M from a hedge fund, at the same time?

noirscape 6 days ago | parent | next [-]

> ICANN periodically lets anyone with $1 million create random new generic TLDs like .top and .win and .google and .hiv and .amazon and .zip - it's pretty clear there aren't any real rules or standards for TLDs apart from having money.

There's actually a bunch of rules gTLDs have to follow compared to ccTLDs. The main one I know of is that they can't randomly screw you over if you've already registered a domain name with them - they're allowed to force conditions on initial signups, but they are required to respond to things like trademark disputes in the ICANN process or domain name registrar transfers (if you ever wondered why this is a relatively easy thing - it's because ICANN punishes registrars that don't cooperate).

Freenom got in a lot of trouble back in the day for not following the rules and got suspended+fined a few times by ICANN for gTLD registrations. It took a Facebook lawsuit for them to finally go under though.

> Why should ICANN break things for .io and its users, when they could instead keep things working, and extract $1M from a hedge fund, at the same time?

Because ccTLDs follow a different standard. ICANN makes no money from ccTLDs - they're given to the country that owns the territory in question (or whatever pseudo-legal authority comes closest), and the country then has the right to sublicense out the right to those TLDs under any conditions it wants to use. Some countries don't let you do top-level registrations or any registrations at all, reserving the entire space for government websites. Others make them basically open to registration by anyone. ICANN has no real financial ties for .io in specific; any money that the hedge fund pays for it goes to the British government.

This system as I understand it, is this way in part to appease countries that would otherwise have bad relationships with the US to accept ICANN as the central naming authority of the internet even though it's a US-based entity; 2 letter TLDs are given to the country in question and in exchange, they follow the other rules of ICANN.

Making an exception would basically require the UK to make a fuss about it (since that's what Russia did with .su), which seems unlikely given the UK is also changing the legal status of the British Indian Ocean Territories in such a way that they cease to exist.

toyg 6 days ago | parent [-]

> Because ccTLDs follow a different standard

They will just move .io from ccTLD to gTLD, with the UK government's blessing. Everyone realizes there is no point in stopping the money from flowing.

noirscape 6 days ago | parent [-]

They probably won't, the 2 character space is reserved for ccTLDs by their existing policies.

Only 3 characters and up can be gTLDs.

chatmasta 5 days ago | parent | next [-]

It’s insane that anyone thinks ICANN will deprecate one of the most popular TLDs. There is no incentive by anyone for this to happen.

toyg 5 days ago | parent | prev [-]

If the money is good enough, they will make a "grandfathered" exception.

Modern ICANN is not about policies for policies' sake.

actionfromafar 6 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Aren’t two letter codes reserved for countries though IIRC.

wongarsu 6 days ago | parent | next [-]

country-ish entities. For example European Union has .eu despite not being a country. They gave Taiwan one while simultaneously calling it "Taiwan, Province of China". And Russia has three: .ru, .рф and .su. The latter arguably falls in the same category as .io since the Soviet Union has ceased to exist, yet ripn.su is still active and you can apparently still get new .su domains

tonyhart7 6 days ago | parent | prev [-]

people forget the fact that countries can break up in the future

example: what happen if canada break up into 2 different state that want to their unique tld???? also what happen to current .ca ??? do you migrate all that domain and .ca ceased to exist????

internet is faily new in terms of human history (30+ years) while countries or kingdom has been ceased to exist and "rebrand" all the time

its not so simple to just put on "acronym" countries name

nl 6 days ago | parent [-]

This happened to Yugoslavia

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/.yu

tonyhart7 6 days ago | parent [-]

exactly, this is happen to "old days" of internet and they need years to get rid of that

I cant imagine nation have enough power that can keep these thing for years just for historical standpoint

kelnos 6 days ago | parent [-]

> I cant imagine nation have enough power that can keep these thing for years just for historical standpoint

.su is one such domain. The Soviet Union of course no longer exists, but .su continues on. ICANN has told Russia they want to phase it out by 2030 (after Russia more or less refused to shut it down in the 90s), but who knows if that will happen.

.su even still accepts new domain registrations!

I think you can predict the average kind of people who wants a .su domain, though...

koakuma-chan 6 days ago | parent | prev [-]

> ICANN periodically lets anyone with $1 million create random new generic TLDs

Why? Isn't ICANN non profit?

bryanrasmussen 6 days ago | parent | next [-]

I'm sure any profit they make is redirected back into the organization's mission.

koakuma-chan 6 days ago | parent [-]

I still don't get by which virtue they can decide to sell TLDs for 1 million dollars or any other large sum of money. We just ended up having big companies like Google register .google, etc, and random questionable companies register, e.g., .law, .plumbing, etc, presumably for profit. I'm sure ICANN could do better than this.

da_chicken 6 days ago | parent | prev [-]

That's not what nonprofit means.