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chongli 3 days ago

any blog author who is trying to increase their reach, like knowing what topics are of most interest to their audience, when to post for bets result, comparing different styles of post etc.

Why would I want to read a blog like that? That's hack writing 101. There's a million of those writers shovelling out that drivel on LinkedIn (which sells them all the analytics they need to do it).

I want to read blogs by people who are passionate about their topic and really take the time to become an expert (if they aren't already). They don't need to know anything about me to write about their topic.

stevage 3 days ago | parent | next [-]

You could make the counter-argument: Why would I want to read something written by someone who doesn't care about their audience at all?

Both of those are extreme positions.

miyoji 3 days ago | parent | next [-]

I would make the counter-counter-argument: someone who is just trying to make what the audience wants to see to get views doesn't care about the audience either, they just care about the audience's eyeballs and the money/fame/influence they can get from leveraging those eyeballs.

chongli 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Pretty much everyone on Hacker News is writing comments for one another without the benefit of analytics. We're having discussion about topics we care about without delving into each other's personal details.

If you care about a topic you're going to care about a community you build and participate in around that topic. You don't need marketing-focused analytics to do that. You just need to keep writing and engaging with people in the comments.

righthand 3 days ago | parent [-]

Careful, upvotes and karma are analytics.

chongli 2 days ago | parent [-]

They aren't. They're feedback. Analytics is demographic information used for marketing purposes.

scoofy 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

Analytics are often used for demographic purposes, but they aren’t for that: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analytics

Ranking comments by quality is absolutely tangential to analytics. It’s processing feedback, and rearranging the pangs in orders to make it more pleasant to readers… it’s real close to a-b testing.

righthand 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

If I can see the number of votes and replies and their affect on my account (karma count), those are analytics of my comments and stories.

Demography is the genre of analytic.

chaps 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Today I learned that "caring about my audience" means using analytics against them to understand as much as I can about them without their full consent.

Friend, there are many other ways to care about your audience without being a whimsical stalker from high up.

palata 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Why would I want to read something written by someone who doesn't care about their audience at all?

That's not what you described. You described a blog writtten by someone who wants to increase their reach.

MSFT_Edging 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

My favorite musicians and podcasts hate their fans.

Seriously, fans are awful. If they found you for doing what you want to do, keep doing what you want to do. Don't let the fans guide you too much.

chongli 3 days ago | parent [-]

We need look no further than The Beatles, who famously and repeatedly tried to pivot their music away from what their fans wanted. In the process, they innovated popular music in a multitude of ways and spawned new genres in the process.

If they paid any attention to their fans they would've been playing "Love Me Do" for decades as their millions of screaming preteen girl fans slowly turned into senior citizens.

breuleux 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

You can care about your audience without needing any analytics. Usually, I would think that you personally know a few people who are in your intended audience. Just ask them. And if you can't get feedback from actual people on your writing, analytics is a really, really poor substitute for that.

Retr0id 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Not caring about the size of your audience is very different to not caring about your audience at all.

plastic-enjoyer 3 days ago | parent | prev [-]

> Why would I want to read something written by someone who doesn't care about their audience at all?

Uh, because you find the content interesting?

jasode 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

>I want to read blogs by people who are passionate about their topic [...]

I didn't downvote but want to try to explain some of the mindset of some of the authors who do care about analytics and how it affects what they work on.

The 2 different activities need to be separated:

(1) passionate about a _topic_

vs

(2) passionate about _writing_about_ a topic.

Some people need some validation from a growing audience (i.e. see visitor stats) to continue to work on (2).

An example of this I came across was a analyst who was really knowledgeable about tele-communications, cell towers, datacenters, etc. He wrote some blogs and created videos about how the industry players work. It was really good analytical work. Unfortunately, he didn't gain a big audience following from it and quit after just 10 months.

He's still in the industry and I'm sure he's still "passionate" about the topic of next gen cell towers, etc. Just no longer passionate about blogging into an empty void.

One could then argue, "why does an author need to care about blogging to an empty void?!?". I don't know what to say. I guess it's just humans being humans and some want a little social proof that whatever they put a lot of time into is useful to more people than a tiny niche audience.

cosmic_cheese 3 days ago | parent | next [-]

> One could then argue, "why does an author need to care about blogging to an empty void?!?". I don't know what to say. I guess it's just humans being humans and some want a little social proof that whatever they put a lot of time into is useful to more people than a tiny niche audience.

In my case, there’s a social proof element, but it’s also nice to know if I’m basically talking to myself or if there’s somebody out there listening. If it’s the former I feel kind of silly, like someone sitting in an empty room muttering to themselves might, plus writing takes time and energy that I could be putting towards something else. You know how there’s some meals that feel worth cooking if there’s even one other person who’ll be eating, but not if it’s just yourself? It’s like that.

chongli 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Keeping a count of how many views and comments a blog post gets is not analytics. Analytics is gathering deep data about the demographics of those numbers. It’s learning about the age, sex, race, income, country of origin, education, occupation, etc. of your readers.

This is information that’s irrelevant to a person who is merely passionate about a topic and wants to write and share about it. It’s information used solely for increasing engagement and making money.

yunohn 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Yes, well you want to read one species of blog - while there is a middle ground without it becoming LinkedIn drivel.

hansvm 3 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Alright, suppose I'm passionate and an expert, and I want to write a blog going into a deep dive about logarithm approximations:

How do I frame it? Is this for a math audience or a programming audience? If for programmers, are we talking about tricks to make it faster on modern x86_64 platforms or when you need to do voodoo on a microcontroller? If for modern x86_64 platforms, is this a short, punchy article empowering people with a new trick? Is it a long, dry article empowering other experts with nitty, gritty details? Do I frame it in terms of some other problem (like randomized, weighted sort for example)? If so, which problem?

All of those are just questions about "what" I intend to write, after I've ostensibly already chosen what to write about using my expert knowledge and opinions. "What" questions aren't the only unknowns which are improved in the face of knowing your audience though. For the content to land successfully you need to know something about who's reading it. Should you use Python/F#/C/Zig/curl-braces-pseudocode/python-pseudocode/JS/... to deliver the examples? Is it worth incorporating the resulting assembly into the article? If targetting programmers, do they have enough of a math background that you can or should include a derivation or two? Is this the sort of audience who would appreciate seeing all the tricks and solutions which _don't_ work?

And so on. Analytics are a powerful tool for ensuring your article will actually be useful to somebody, even predicated on your assumption that the best content is written by passionate experts (a statement I largely agree with) -- and the hidden, implicit assumption that somebody informing their writing decisions with analytics is _not_ acting as a passionate expert for the resulting work (a statement I wholeheartedly disagree with).

Diving slightly into that point of disagreement, my niche isn't logarithm approximations; it's using a wealth of math, old-school ML, and low-level CPU knowledge to push computers well past their ordinary limits. I don't have near enough time to write. When I do find time, what should I write about? I'm a passionate expert about a lot of things if our yardstick is the length of a blog post, and I don't have time to write about all of them. If I were to write that logarithm article in today's world I might instead write its dual, fast approximate softmax, signalling some sort of expertise to the "AI" people. Or not. Unless I know who's reading my stuff I only have the vaguest of inklings about the specific topics people might find interesting.

In my mind at least, that choice isn't pandering in the same way as the least-common-denominator drivel being shovel-fed on LinkedIn. I still have my own unique ideas and unique takes on those ideas. You can imagine a Venn diagram of the things I'd like to write about and the things the hive mind wants to consume. I'm definitely biased in that I'll pander to the intersection of those two things, but I think your complaint is about people who exit their own bubble completely.