| ▲ | jmspring 5 days ago | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
I don’t necessarily see a problem with enabling like talented groups to be mingled together, that said it depends on the metrics. A friend who had a 3.2 in HS did way better in life than several 4.0+ students. The other end of the spectrum is the way most of the US handles high school. Long gone are gifted and talented programs before high school and in many cases, for instance those with an ability for math are stuck in classes with those that will top out before algebra. I understand your point, but the catering to the mediocre that happens these days in US grade schools isn’t the right answer either. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| ▲ | alephnerd 5 days ago | parent [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
The issue with "gifted only schools" is they end up eating the bulk of funds and legitimately don't have a strong predictive capacity on student success that couldn't already be explained the parental background and early childhood care. In my case, I never placed in gifted academic programs in elementary and middle, but by HS was able to take 14 AP classes (and auto shop - always liked tinkering since elementary school; which was a major reason why I never placed well in gifted programs) and end up at HYS. Most of my peers there similarly didn't attended gifted programs or high schools - amongst the non-legacies the biggest predictor of success was SAT scores and GPA. While giving and funding academic and gifted tracks within schools should be allowed, "gifted" students should not be segregated from "normal" students. There's no reason a high school can't both offer as many AP classes as possible ALONG with vocational classes. Edit: can't reply > Why should gifted schools need more money than normal schools It's not that they need more funding. The issue is gifted programs tend to overlap with upper income families [0] - the same kinds of families that are overrepresented in School Boards and PTAs [1] I'm not saying go all "San Francisco 2.0", but recognize that gifted only schools does lead to a moral perception that other students are not as deserving for funding or are "bad students". [0] - https://news.vanderbilt.edu/2019/09/30/socioeconomic-status-... [1] - https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/23328584188180... > the highest-ability schools receive a decrement in funding But are overrepresented in urban areas where human capital is significantly higher than rural areas within Romania [2]. Students in rural and small town schools are less liked to be as healthy or a affluent as students in cities or major urban centers, and this does have a tangible downstream effect on education as a whole. [2] - https://www.shs-conferences.org/articles/shsconf/abs/2021/06... > If you look at SF... Note how I said << I'm not saying go all "San Francisco 2.0" >> There is a happy middle ground between being an exclusionary system like Romania's or a delusional bussed system like San Francisco. Giving the example of a city with a population the size of Cincinnati is clearly a facile argument, as it is obviously not representative of the rest of California, let alone the US. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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